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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's gene Steinberg so on last week's

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episode of the power cast Chris wasn't

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around because he had a 10-day flu virus

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and now I don't know what's happened

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here because I live you know a couple of

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hours away from Chris but now I have my

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flu virus in its third day so I don't

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know I just think there's a secret plot

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I don't think I had the flu gene I

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actually had like a bronchitis I was all

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achy but my stomach was fine but I'm

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back in the saddle now so will will kind

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of take charge today and kind of let you

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off the hook we don't want to interrupt

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your ten-year weekly streak of being on

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as the host of the pair casts without

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missing a single show which is an

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amazing record well I'll just sort of

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hang out here and definitely not say

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very much I'll let you do all the work

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but I'll run the controls I think I can

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handle that

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okay well this is our guest today Eric

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Willett is definitely my kind of guy

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we're gonna have some fun oh yes the

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book is called illuminations the UFO or

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UFO experience as a powered

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psychological event and the book has a

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foreword by Jenny Randall's and we

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haven't heard much from Jenny Randall's

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in recent years really good sintra do so

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I guess Eric is that correct I don't

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have the cover in front of me yes it is

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actually a parapsychology called event

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yes now this is not a large book it's

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215 pages but there's a lot of meat

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there and we're going to go through it

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and kind of discuss how he got involved

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in the field and the second thing is how

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Jenny Randall's came to do the

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introduction to the book the forward in

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fact let's talk about that first Eric

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okay well we contacted Jenny big

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has her approach to the paranormal in

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general and UFO in particular is I would

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say similar so we contacted her and she

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was very happy to to write the preface

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and she when she wrote to me she said

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that she really came to very similar

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conclusions after many many years of

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research and she's hoping that

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especially on our side of the Atlantic

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this kind views would be more diffused

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than or more known she feels that in

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Europe those user may be more common but

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definitely on our side is not well of

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course as we've often said I'm here in

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the para cast the opinion that gets the

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most presence even though we don't

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necessarily agree with it is that it's

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all et et is here and that's it there's

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a little bit more to it that she was

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also encouraging people on our side of

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the Atlantic to have a much more open

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view about UFOs and the paranormal in

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general if compared to people on her

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side of the Atlantic so there's also

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some that was the cross Atlantic

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pollination that we're trying to do as

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well let's take it back to the beginning

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real briefly here how did you get

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involved in studying UFOs it's a

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complicated story but they had some

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experience when I was a kid I did not

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see a UFO but I was watching my brothers

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seeing a UFO and I couldn't get an

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access to the the binoculars even though

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I bugged them so much and finally when I

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saw the got the the binoculars I could

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not see UFO so I it marked me quite a

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bit that time has passed and then when I

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did my PhD studies I met a friend who

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was very much into UFOs and that's where

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I started to go back to my interests and

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I started to read heavily on UFOs

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although I became quite disappointed

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that the ETH was so dominant and had so

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little to show for in terms of evidence

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and on top of that there was a time it

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was in 1990s at the time where the

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conspiracy theory was reaching

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levels of delusion and never seen before

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so I decided well you know what let's

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start to study these things from a

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different perspective because we're

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going nowhere now with ETH DDH and the

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conspiracy theories we want you give it

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a give us an example or examples of how

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many conspiracy theories that you count

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as being predominant or or valid

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sociologically well the the conspiracy

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theories that are actually valid as the

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ones that are of course proven I know

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this one is that if we think about the

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Watergate

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there is people starting to speculate

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about President Nixon's and his use of

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former CIA operatives and it took two

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journalists working on it part time to

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figure it out in two years so this is a

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conspiracy a real one and there was open

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and then disclosed quite quickly and

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it's very hard to hide things actually

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there's always someone who has a an

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issue with his or her conscience and

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will talk and then will show evidence

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and we can disclose in the case of UFOs

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it's always murky it's always

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inconclusive

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it's always the cousin the brother or

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the sister living three doors away that

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heard something in a bar I mean really

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these are a phenomena that are not based

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on facts but based on rumors and then

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the rumors gets a life on their own so

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so there are conspiracy that are real

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and I found it relatively quickly well

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the other ones are rumors that they're

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more along the lines of mythology

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creating urban myths like a example I

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gave well how about the the ever-present

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theory that many of these would appear

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to be nuts and bolts sightings are

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actually some sort of exotic military

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secret technology aerial platforms

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psychotronic weapons platforms that are

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trotted out to

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you know sort of garner some sort of

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response from a particular target area

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of the unsuspecting public I mean that

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to me is at least in this country is one

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of the predominant if you want

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conspiracy theory that attempts to

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explain at least some UFO sightings

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where do you come down on the whole idea

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of exotic you know wheel nuts and bolts

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human derive technology oh I I'm

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convinced that there are a number of

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sightings there were actually aircrafts

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or drones or other flying machines

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created by humans that were perceived as

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odd and then people thought that they

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were UFOs from another world

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definitely is it the majority no I would

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think it's a small minority because

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working with the military I know that in

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these kinds of situation they try to use

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these equipment in remote places where

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they can use it and see if it works

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because obviously if ordinary citizens

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can watch these things then the enemy is

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Soviet Union during the Cold War and

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others I could also also watch and see

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what's going on so they come for some

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yes but I would not say meaning well

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once some of this equipment is deemed

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operational enviable I would think if

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it's of an exotic nature they'd want to

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you know trot it out and test it you

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know over some sort of public airspace

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to gauge response to see if people

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reported as a UFO how they describe it

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whether they file a report with the

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local law enforcement whether civilian

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UFO groups are called whether the media

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picks it up whether it the sighting is

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you know sort of taken into the media

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and then put they put their inevitable

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spin on it and disseminate it out into

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the culture this is one area that I've

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I've done quite a bit of active research

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and thinking about and I do I do agree

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with you that at least a certain portion

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of side

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or misidentified you know exotic

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technology well I think that the the

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adage that you hear most often is that

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we are only aware of technology that has

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been operational for fifteen to twenty

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years

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things that are operation operational

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now if the formula is correct won't be

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publicly acknowledged for another

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fifteen or twenty years so that with the

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you know the pace of Technology and in

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development of us you know scientific

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principles behind some of these

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technologies you can really accomplish a

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lot in a generation before then you

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allow the public to know about it

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let's have that example in our next

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segment okay our guest is Eric Willett

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the book is illuminations you're on with

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Jeanne and Chris you're in the para cast

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I know that a lot of our listeners are

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para cast comm so I'm kind of under the

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weather late times so we're letting

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Chris do the work bound is still here so

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therefore I still keep the schedule so a

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real trooper Jean I'm something I

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haven't figured out what yet Chris okay

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as we were going into break I was

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discussing the likelihood that at least

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some percentage of sightings that are

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reported at least in North America could

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be exotic military technology that is

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still secret and classified a good

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example would be a number of years ago I

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think three or four years ago the CIA

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made the big announcement that the sr-71

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blackbird was probably responsible for

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in East made the amazing statement to

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all UFO sightings could be attributed to

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the sr-71 blackbird to me that's that's

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kind of ludicrous because they fly at

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such a high altitude in a straight line

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they're a ballistic in nature they don't

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exhibit the own on ballistic behavior

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but it does kind of give a little bit of

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insight into the thinking of of the in

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national security apparatus you go into

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the book really looking at the UFO

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phenomenon based on work that has

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already been done in the realm of

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parapsychology and I think you do a very

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very good job of showing how pique

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events

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psychokinesis other sigh of ents

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actually could be overlaid onto the UFO

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phenomena and I'm sure you know over the

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course of the show we're gonna get into

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all that but why don't you first give us

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a background on your thinking how it

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developed from that initial almost

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sighting experience that you had that

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you watched your brothers have how did

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you develop into the scientists that we

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now see today who is really

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groundbreaking in attempting to explain

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things with more of a parapsychological

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explanation well what was your what was

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your development like well in reading

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both your UFO literature and the

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parapsychology literature one thing that

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struck me very strongly is how

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especially a UFO wave so large amount of

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sightings these events tend to if you

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look at the general structure of the

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events the team seems to be very similar

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to the the poltergeist event or where

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things are moving around house and

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people don't understand what's going on

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on the surface these events seems very

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different so people perceive the objects

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in the sky on one hand and on the other

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hand they're starting to see the

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furniture moving by itself or electric

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electric equipment starting on its own

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in the family house but if you look at

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the structure of those events the

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unfolding is very very similar that's

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why I started to have a hunch that there

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is something that is actually more along

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the lines of the paranormal when we look

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at UFOs rather than something from outer

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space and of course there is the strong

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argument that if you look at the UFO so

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many th perspective then you need to

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have either tissue sample that's not

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from this earth or piece of equipment

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it's not from this earth and then over

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seventy years of modern mythology we

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have absolutely nothing to show for so

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combining all these their ideas together

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and start to see that yeah maybe

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parapsychology has actually a lot to

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offer to understand UFOs well and that

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leads us back to that question of

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potential government involvement there

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many true believer types out there in

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the ETH that are convinced of the

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conspiracy theory that the government

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has actually recovered alien technology

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recovered bodies and some stories even

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live aliens but of course all this is

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classified and we'll never know about it

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I think your argument there is that too

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many people would have to be involved

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and somebody would grow a conscience and

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spill the beans

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that's correct and actually I did look

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at other governments because a lot of

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the conspiracy theories is coming from

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the United States but many many

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governments around the world had to deal

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with the UFO phenomena and they started

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studies about that sometimes big

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sometimes small but and they all came to

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some conclusion that's that's the

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strength of I would say all that

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international research so to speak on

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UFOs is that whatever it is it's not

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dangerous it's not a threat to national

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security and it's so elusive so hard to

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study that really is not up to the

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military to deal with that so very

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different perspective from the

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conspiracy theory but the government of

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the United States in my view had Indian

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general the same approach yes they had

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more interesting UFO than they were

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willing to say and many years ago in the

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end they came same conclusion it's not

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dangerous

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don't know what it is but we were gonna

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study something that is so flimsy so

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hard to understand you mentioned early

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on in your book which I highly recommend

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to our listeners this is one of the more

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important books in my estimation that

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have come out in actually many years

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going all the way back to some of valets

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work some of the work of as you point

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out here at Jerome Clark and Loren

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Coleman

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there's an interesting quoting here from

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a work that they co-authored together in

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the mid 70s that they felt that the

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objective manifestations of UFOs or

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psycho kinetically generated by products

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of those unconscious processes which

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shape a cultures vision of the other

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world existing only temporarily they are

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at best only quasi physical I think that

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that kind of sums up possibly a doorway

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in which

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can open into a whole new world of

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understanding about these objects which

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you absolutely dive in into feed first

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why don't you explain first of all where

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those connecting points are between the

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pair of physical the not quite

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subjective not quite objective but as

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George Hansen myself and others love the

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word liminal which is like standing in

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the doorway and not being either in one

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room or another room and then some sort

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of trigger kind of sets you off in one

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direction either subjectively or

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objectively depending on on the amount

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of information you have and depending on

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your kind of pre-designed

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wants and desires about about the

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subject what we kind of look at

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parapsychology and then how its liminal

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and how that can be applied to the UFO

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phenomenon the key idea here is that one

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we talk about our psychological event

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we're talking about information that is

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received by non normal mean so think

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about telepathy here or information that

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is modified by non normal means here's a

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baby more complicated to understand but

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when an object is moving it has a

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direction has a composition this is

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information so she changed the

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composition of an object or its

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direction she actually changing the

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information about it so that's a

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perspective here that's taken so when we

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talk about UFO I can see there two ways

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that this can happen there might be

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something physical

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earth lights balls of lightning some

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sort of plasma or even a regular plane

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or helicopter in the sky or there's

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actually no physical object what makes

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it a Paris college Ville event is that

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people see in those objects if there are

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or in their quote-unquote hallucination

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they obtain informations about something

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that true non normal means and what I

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mean by that is that if you have more

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than one observers that are not

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connected to each other and they see a

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UFO whether there is again an object

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behind it or not and they come to see

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the object by giving a similar

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description and yet they ruin

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in the same direction or there was no

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objects then there's something happened

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they shared information telepathically

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or they had some sort of premonition or

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clairvoyance so that's what makes it

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persica logical is that is the

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information they share or the employer

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to receive about an object we've got

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more to come with Eric Willett and Jean

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and Chris you're in the pear test thank

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you for listening to GCS

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and and kind of pick up where you left

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off we were talking about how these

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things are related

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the parapsychology and piqué type events

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and in the UFO phenomena yes

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so the if there's an object especially

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these objects are of strong

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electromagnetic nature it can induce

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hallucinations there's a lot of research

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on that but that ELISA nation doesn't

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mean that the person is crazy it means

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that the person see things and in

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whatever that person sees may contain

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information that is transmitted tighter

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to another person or information about

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the future so that's where the

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parapsychological aspects start to show

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if there is no object again we have an

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ELISA nation but it may be shared by

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more than one people I'll give you a

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00:28:26,419 --> 00:28:23,309
specific example recently in Hamilton

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00:28:28,340 --> 00:28:26,429
Ontario Canada very recently there is

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two groups of people in two different

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cars at the very busy intersections who

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saw a UFO very close I would say to use

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Hynek typologies was a an encounter of

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the first kind and yet only these two

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groups of people saw it and there was a

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very busiest intersection in developed

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the day in those two groups contacted a

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UFO our inter normal organization

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locally not knowing of each other's what

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00:28:59,000 --> 00:28:56,370
was going on so here's an interesting

664
00:29:01,430 --> 00:28:59,010
case was there something physical in the

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skies probably not because otherwise

666
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other people would have seen it and

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00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:04,669
would have been in the news right away

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doesn't mean that nothing anomalous

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happened absolutely not I mean if two

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groups of people independently

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something in provide the same

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description then we have to conclude

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that they share information through non

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normal means which we call telepathy if

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you want so that's what makes UFO events

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00:29:32,430 --> 00:29:29,290
interesting is because of this access to

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information true non-normal means you

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know you mentioned that in the book that

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you know electromagnetic energy can have

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an effect on human cognition and but

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doesn't there have to be some sort of

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source of the emanations I mean if if

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these are you know manifestations of of

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some sort of misidentification or or

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delusion or you know some sort of I

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don't know sort of hallucinatory

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experience doesn't there have to be some

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sort of energy a generator that's

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creating these e/m effects that then the

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the you know affect the mind indeed

691
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there has to be a source the research on

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the topic is still evolving right now

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but there are some known sources so you

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can think about power towers radars

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stationed as well as more exotic natural

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phenomena like earth lights balls of

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lightnings and we think maybe some

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variation in geomagnetic the natural

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earth geomagnetic field may have an

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impact on the brain there is a research

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00:30:49,890 --> 00:30:46,960
done recently about a hunting called

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castle where there is a ghost was seen

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00:30:57,300 --> 00:30:54,130
by many many people over decades and yet

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they saw that the ghost was always seen

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00:31:01,860 --> 00:30:59,560
when the person was in bed in the same

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00:31:04,890 --> 00:31:01,870
bed so there is some research about the

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geomagnetic field where normally the

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person would put his or her head on the

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bed and it's a very significant

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variation in the geomagnetic field which

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provides some interesting expected that

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doesn't need to have a very powerful

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source like being just beside a radar

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station to create that kind of effects

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on the brain you know of course the

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skeptic would argue or the or the ETH

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00:31:36,670 --> 00:31:33,140
believer would argue that because UFO

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00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:36,680
reports or so or UAP reports I think as

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00:31:41,350 --> 00:31:39,050
you point out and very justifiably so is

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00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:41,360
more accurate I think acronym which is

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unidentified aerial phenomenon or AAO

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anomalous aerial objects because of the

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wide distribution of sighting reports

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from all over the world doesn't that

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kind of nullify any sort of cell towers

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you know powerlines I mean if you're in

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the middle of Central Africa and you

728
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don't even have phone lines anywhere

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00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:02,480
near you

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you know ground lines or hard lines or

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any any sort of machinery capable of

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producing the type of iam fields that

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00:32:14,770 --> 00:32:12,590
we're talking about how do you explain

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00:32:17,110 --> 00:32:14,780
that you know a guy on a safari

735
00:32:20,230 --> 00:32:17,120
driving along sees an object it gets

736
00:32:22,540 --> 00:32:20,240
close to him his engine dies the object

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00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:22,550
then as it departs the engine comes back

738
00:32:29,380 --> 00:32:26,090
on there's a lot of examples of very

739
00:32:31,150 --> 00:32:29,390
very well documented sightings that you

740
00:32:33,190 --> 00:32:31,160
would kind of have to scratch your head

741
00:32:35,530 --> 00:32:33,200
because there I don't think they're in

742
00:32:38,290 --> 00:32:35,540
at least of some cases I don't think

743
00:32:39,940 --> 00:32:38,300
there's any explanation for the type of

744
00:32:42,580 --> 00:32:39,950
effects that could be attributed to some

745
00:32:44,860 --> 00:32:42,590
sort of e/m field in the you know the

746
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:44,870
the human reaction or response to that

747
00:32:49,750 --> 00:32:47,570
field well I'm not saying that every

748
00:32:51,970 --> 00:32:49,760
single observation is caused by that I

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00:32:54,100 --> 00:32:51,980
never said that in my book and I'm not

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saying that now what I'm saying is that

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00:33:01,780 --> 00:32:57,670
sources of electromagnetic fields and

752
00:33:04,210 --> 00:33:01,790
inclusive geomagnetic fields and so that

753
00:33:05,260 --> 00:33:04,220
it's more spread than we think that's

754
00:33:08,620 --> 00:33:05,270
what I'm saying

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00:33:12,190 --> 00:33:08,630
so that's be clear on that the second

756
00:33:16,150 --> 00:33:12,200
point about that is the fact that

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00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:16,160
oftentimes people are also in what we

758
00:33:20,470 --> 00:33:18,010
call an altered state of consciousness

759
00:33:22,980 --> 00:33:20,480
so there are like more or less in trance

760
00:33:26,230 --> 00:33:22,990
which is a state of mind where

761
00:33:28,660 --> 00:33:26,240
elucidation are more likely to happen

762
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:28,670
and when I say this nation again I'm not

763
00:33:35,260 --> 00:33:31,010
saying that the input the guts in the

764
00:33:37,539 --> 00:33:35,270
brain person is fully is not coming from

765
00:33:40,409 --> 00:33:37,549
the outside yes they may actually get

766
00:33:43,149 --> 00:33:40,419
some message stability telepathically

767
00:33:45,159 --> 00:33:43,159
but the point is that there are all

768
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:45,169
kinds of things that can create altered

769
00:33:49,690 --> 00:33:46,970
state of consciousness electromagnetic

770
00:33:52,269 --> 00:33:49,700
fields is one of them but it might be

771
00:33:54,580 --> 00:33:52,279
some just normal person that they are

772
00:33:56,289 --> 00:33:54,590
more prone to that so this easier for

773
00:33:59,590 --> 00:33:56,299
them to be in state of trance and then

774
00:34:01,749 --> 00:33:59,600
the other circumstances are such that

775
00:34:03,700 --> 00:34:01,759
there are something that they can start

776
00:34:06,690 --> 00:34:03,710
to see that looks like a UFO

777
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:06,700
so humanity energy and an

778
00:34:11,799 --> 00:34:09,530
electromagnetic energy is only one piece

779
00:34:13,030 --> 00:34:11,809
of the equation and in my book I think

780
00:34:14,980 --> 00:34:13,040
I'm pretty clear that's saying that's

781
00:34:17,799 --> 00:34:14,990
one part of it but it's far from being

782
00:34:19,210 --> 00:34:17,809
everything yeah I understand that and I

783
00:34:23,260 --> 00:34:19,220
was just pointing out that there are a

784
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:23,270
lot of a lot of reports that that what

785
00:34:26,289 --> 00:34:24,290
you would have to go in another

786
00:34:28,389 --> 00:34:26,299
direction to try to explain the kinds of

787
00:34:30,789 --> 00:34:28,399
you know human response to the

788
00:34:33,609 --> 00:34:30,799
phenomenon and how that phenomenon

789
00:34:37,869 --> 00:34:33,619
interacts with the witness or witnesses

790
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:37,879
in this example just strikes me because

791
00:34:43,450 --> 00:34:40,490
I've had a number of reports I've been a

792
00:34:45,819 --> 00:34:43,460
field investigator for 10 solid years

793
00:34:49,119 --> 00:34:45,829
back in the 90s and I had a number of

794
00:34:50,740 --> 00:34:49,129
cases where groups of witnesses when

795
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:50,750
interviewed separately about a

796
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:53,210
particular event they tended to have

797
00:35:01,809 --> 00:34:56,690
some of the general information usually

798
00:35:05,349 --> 00:35:01,819
color size that sort of thing fairly

799
00:35:08,650 --> 00:35:05,359
they fairly I think consistently agreed

800
00:35:13,660 --> 00:35:08,660
but when it came to duration sequence of

801
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:13,670
events the type of feeling they got that

802
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:15,530
they were all over the map and there

803
00:35:19,809 --> 00:35:17,450
were even there was a couple of reports

804
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:19,819
where a group of people in incident the

805
00:35:24,609 --> 00:35:22,010
only certain number of the people were

806
00:35:25,870 --> 00:35:24,619
able to actually experience the sighting

807
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:25,880
event the others didn't know what they

808
00:35:31,539 --> 00:35:29,690
were talking about so that of course

809
00:35:36,370 --> 00:35:31,549
indicates to me that there's some sort

810
00:35:37,690 --> 00:35:36,380
of social psycho element going on and

811
00:35:39,130 --> 00:35:37,700
you know I think a little later on

812
00:35:41,829 --> 00:35:39,140
obviously we're going to get into that

813
00:35:43,510 --> 00:35:41,839
but you know the way you start the book

814
00:35:45,940 --> 00:35:43,520
out I really really appreciate because

815
00:35:46,750 --> 00:35:45,950
you look at for instance the poltergeist

816
00:35:50,650 --> 00:35:46,760
phenomenon

817
00:35:53,349 --> 00:35:50,660
and how you can break it down and you

818
00:35:55,180 --> 00:35:53,359
came up with your well it's it's called

819
00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:55,190
recurrent spontaneous psychokinetic

820
00:36:00,550 --> 00:35:57,770
effects in hauntings for example and

821
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:00,560
let's go ahead and look at our spk and

822
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how that is fairly predictable in terms

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of a a model of outlining how particular

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events you know are expressed for lack

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of a better word and then how that

826
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expression seems to be organized and you

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know I think I think that's really

828
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important for people to understand that

829
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:26,869
there is an apparent connection in terms

830
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of UFO waves and how a poltergeist a

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series of poltergeist events for

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instance seem to mimic one another and a

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bell curve

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let's break here and we'll continue with

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[Music]

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with gene and Chris on the para castes

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we have Eric Willett the author of

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00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:27,099
illuminations Chris you want to finish

933
00:41:32,689 --> 00:41:29,650
that comment before we go on yeah we

934
00:41:36,449 --> 00:41:32,699
were going to dive into looking at

935
00:41:39,029 --> 00:41:36,459
haunting events and I think most more

936
00:41:41,459 --> 00:41:39,039
specifically poltergeist events and

937
00:41:44,249 --> 00:41:41,469
we're gonna look at how the onset of

938
00:41:46,469 --> 00:41:44,259
events there's a bell curve that seems

939
00:41:50,189 --> 00:41:46,479
to take place which is eerily

940
00:41:54,899 --> 00:41:50,199
reminiscent pardon the pun of how UFO

941
00:41:57,359 --> 00:41:54,909
waves tend to begin come to a peak or a

942
00:42:00,659 --> 00:41:57,369
crescendo and then and then fade away or

943
00:42:03,989 --> 00:42:00,669
start to fade away for lack of a better

944
00:42:07,829 --> 00:42:03,999
word yes absolutely yeah I owe a lot to

945
00:42:11,449 --> 00:42:07,839
a parapsychologist in Germany's name is

946
00:42:13,499 --> 00:42:11,459
Walter Vaughan Lookadoo who studied

947
00:42:16,469 --> 00:42:13,509
poltergeists for many many years the

948
00:42:18,899 --> 00:42:16,479
name yes Lee is both a psychologist and

949
00:42:21,509 --> 00:42:18,909
a physicist and he's running a clinic in

950
00:42:24,029 --> 00:42:21,519
Germany to study poltergeists

951
00:42:26,429 --> 00:42:24,039
what he noted over the years is that

952
00:42:28,349 --> 00:42:26,439
this always the same kind of male curve

953
00:42:31,919 --> 00:42:28,359
as you see happening at first there's a

954
00:42:33,269 --> 00:42:31,929
surprise people see strange things but

955
00:42:36,809 --> 00:42:33,279
they're not really sure what's going on

956
00:42:38,870 --> 00:42:36,819
in their house things seems to move or

957
00:42:41,519 --> 00:42:38,880
the kids say there's something happening

958
00:42:44,039 --> 00:42:41,529
so they don't not sure release what's

959
00:42:45,839 --> 00:42:44,049
going on but then the the phenomena

960
00:42:49,679 --> 00:42:45,849
starts to get bigger and bigger and then

961
00:42:51,659 --> 00:42:49,689
way more obvious in ostentatious and

962
00:42:53,429 --> 00:42:51,669
that usually that point they had a

963
00:42:56,279 --> 00:42:53,439
chance to talk to their neighbors and

964
00:42:58,709 --> 00:42:56,289
other people and eventually what von

965
00:43:01,499 --> 00:42:58,719
look at who calls the naive observer so

966
00:43:04,140 --> 00:43:01,509
the believers in spirits and ghosts and

967
00:43:06,839 --> 00:43:04,150
all this arrives on the scene try to

968
00:43:09,449 --> 00:43:06,849
help the family quote-unquote and then

969
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:09,459
they start to inject all kinds of

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00:43:13,739 --> 00:43:11,650
paranormal explanations based on

971
00:43:17,669 --> 00:43:13,749
non-human entities involved in the house

972
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:17,679
and at that point usually the anomaly

973
00:43:22,409 --> 00:43:20,650
becomes way bigger there's now things

974
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:22,419
are moving by themselves very often

975
00:43:26,230 --> 00:43:24,170
their big noise

976
00:43:29,859 --> 00:43:26,240
in the house attack cannot be explained

977
00:43:32,770 --> 00:43:29,869
and so on and then as the story gets

978
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:32,780
known then the more critical observers

979
00:43:36,910 --> 00:43:34,130
arrive on the scene

980
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:36,920
sometimes university professors there's

981
00:43:41,710 --> 00:43:39,770
more skeptics and they start to ask more

982
00:43:44,620 --> 00:43:41,720
stringent questions they start to

983
00:43:47,349 --> 00:43:44,630
observe things and a more skeptical way

984
00:43:49,690 --> 00:43:47,359
and then usually at that time is where

985
00:43:52,510 --> 00:43:49,700
the intensity of the phenomenon drops

986
00:43:55,089 --> 00:43:52,520
sharply there's more less noise there's

987
00:43:57,430 --> 00:43:55,099
way less moving things and that's also

988
00:44:01,420 --> 00:43:57,440
at the time that some observation of

989
00:44:02,980 --> 00:44:01,430
cheating or hoaxing or catch that person

990
00:44:05,349 --> 00:44:02,990
this seems to be the center of all this

991
00:44:08,410 --> 00:44:05,359
we think that maybe start to like the

992
00:44:10,630 --> 00:44:08,420
attention he or she's getting and then

993
00:44:13,599 --> 00:44:10,640
because the phenomena was declining

994
00:44:16,240 --> 00:44:13,609
tried to compensate with hoaxing and

995
00:44:17,710 --> 00:44:16,250
then eventually the last part is when

996
00:44:20,650 --> 00:44:17,720
the society in general or the

997
00:44:22,750 --> 00:44:20,660
authorities or the social services gets

998
00:44:24,970 --> 00:44:22,760
involved and then they declare this is

999
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:24,980
all a hoax and it's all and sounds just

1000
00:44:30,010 --> 00:44:27,770
normal family issues and they put the

1001
00:44:32,740 --> 00:44:30,020
lid over it and that's the end there's

1002
00:44:35,470 --> 00:44:32,750
no more events going on what is powerful

1003
00:44:37,859 --> 00:44:35,480
about this is approach is that people or

1004
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:37,869
the different kind of people involve

1005
00:44:43,089 --> 00:44:41,210
influence I would say the intensity of

1006
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:43,099
the belief that this is some sort of

1007
00:44:47,770 --> 00:44:46,010
entity that is behind it or influence

1008
00:44:50,650 --> 00:44:47,780
the reverse belief that there's nothing

1009
00:44:54,069 --> 00:44:50,660
abnormal going on and it seems to be

1010
00:44:56,109 --> 00:44:54,079
that this these this psychical energy of

1011
00:44:59,950 --> 00:44:56,119
all those people believing and then

1012
00:45:02,680 --> 00:44:59,960
being over run by the non-believer that

1013
00:45:05,470 --> 00:45:02,690
seems to be what dictates the intensity

1014
00:45:07,420 --> 00:45:05,480
of the the phenomena and like you

1015
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:07,430
mentioned I've seen that same kind of

1016
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:10,210
scenario in a number of UFO waves

1017
00:45:16,839 --> 00:45:13,130
specifically which UFO waves has this

1018
00:45:20,430 --> 00:45:16,849
similarity been observed I'm looking at

1019
00:45:23,980 --> 00:45:20,440
two major UFO waves the Washington DC

1020
00:45:27,579 --> 00:45:23,990
1952 and the Belgian wave for wave of

1021
00:45:30,450 --> 00:45:27,589
1989 1991 and then I use the same model

1022
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:30,460
for I would not call it a wave but the

1023
00:45:37,030 --> 00:45:34,490
Rendlesham UFO incident of 1980 this all

1024
00:45:37,319 --> 00:45:37,040
kinds of similar types of patterns can

1025
00:45:42,630 --> 00:45:37,329
be

1026
00:45:45,059 --> 00:45:42,640
the unfolding of events specifically

1027
00:45:48,209 --> 00:45:45,069
Rendlesham we've discussed that quite a

1028
00:45:50,549 --> 00:45:48,219
few times here yes well the thing is

1029
00:45:52,259 --> 00:45:50,559
that in Rendlesham we have a very

1030
00:45:55,289 --> 00:45:52,269
similar situation where you have the

1031
00:45:59,459 --> 00:45:55,299
first people the first night you see

1032
00:46:01,769 --> 00:45:59,469
something and then very weird they make

1033
00:46:03,809 --> 00:46:01,779
a report on it but they're not really

1034
00:46:06,749 --> 00:46:03,819
sure what's going on and then another

1035
00:46:09,359 --> 00:46:06,759
night where one of the commanders which

1036
00:46:12,019 --> 00:46:09,369
have shown that at least after the fact

1037
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:12,029
is has some sort of interesting ufos

1038
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:15,729
perceive as alien spacecraft goes in the

1039
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:18,130
field and then really start to look for

1040
00:46:23,190 --> 00:46:20,890
evidence of something physical so the

1041
00:46:25,289 --> 00:46:23,200
phenomena becomes even more intense in

1042
00:46:28,559 --> 00:46:25,299
the sky according to the reports anyway

1043
00:46:31,289 --> 00:46:28,569
and then at the point where his look at

1044
00:46:34,759 --> 00:46:31,299
the base commander the top guy gets

1045
00:46:37,319 --> 00:46:34,769
involved with his staff and then they

1046
00:46:38,699 --> 00:46:37,329
start to look in the sky and don't see

1047
00:46:41,430 --> 00:46:38,709
anything and they were very skeptical

1048
00:46:44,309 --> 00:46:41,440
and the interviews we have many year

1049
00:46:46,829 --> 00:46:44,319
Lyra after shows that that person was

1050
00:46:49,949 --> 00:46:46,839
skeptical from day one and that's where

1051
00:46:52,489 --> 00:46:49,959
the phenomena started to go away quickly

1052
00:46:54,989 --> 00:46:52,499
and then there's an investigations

1053
00:46:57,809 --> 00:46:54,999
that's done by the British Ministry of

1054
00:47:00,299 --> 00:46:57,819
Defence declaring that it's nonsense and

1055
00:47:02,249 --> 00:47:00,309
so this thing disappears so we have the

1056
00:47:04,410 --> 00:47:02,259
same kind of curves if the doors are

1057
00:47:06,569 --> 00:47:04,420
that's much smaller scale if you compare

1058
00:47:08,370 --> 00:47:06,579
it to your wife a wave it almost sounds

1059
00:47:10,620 --> 00:47:08,380
like the more skeptical you are the more

1060
00:47:14,009 --> 00:47:10,630
likely you are to chase the phenomenon

1061
00:47:17,370 --> 00:47:14,019
oh well actually this is a key

1062
00:47:20,219 --> 00:47:17,380
observation from parapsychology they

1063
00:47:23,390 --> 00:47:20,229
call it the the Sheep goat effect they

1064
00:47:26,459 --> 00:47:23,400
did notice that researchers who are Pro

1065
00:47:29,579 --> 00:47:26,469
parapsychology that have better results

1066
00:47:31,349 --> 00:47:29,589
than statistical chance researchers that

1067
00:47:34,199 --> 00:47:31,359
do the same experiment who are very

1068
00:47:38,069 --> 00:47:34,209
skeptical they tend to have results that

1069
00:47:41,549 --> 00:47:38,079
are lower than statistical result they

1070
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:41,559
should get normally so it's one of the

1071
00:47:48,150 --> 00:47:44,170
key idea and there's some people talk

1072
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:48,160
about sigh so this this mental energy

1073
00:47:52,850 --> 00:47:50,370
that creates these phenomena and

1074
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:52,860
and types ISOs they seems to be in

1075
00:47:57,740 --> 00:47:55,290
conflicts and the entire size in the end

1076
00:48:00,950 --> 00:47:57,750
always win and the so the phenomena

1077
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:00,960
disappears how about the subconscious or

1078
00:48:06,620 --> 00:48:04,410
unconscious role in producing psy

1079
00:48:08,540 --> 00:48:06,630
effects you point out that people who

1080
00:48:10,610 --> 00:48:08,550
are more intuitive like artists and

1081
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:10,620
musicians tend to be more in touch with

1082
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:12,210
their unconscious thoughts and feelings

1083
00:48:18,010 --> 00:48:14,850
and they tend to score higher on ESP

1084
00:48:20,330 --> 00:48:18,020
tests for instance you said likewise psy

1085
00:48:22,510 --> 00:48:20,340
tends to be more frequent when people

1086
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:22,520
are in an altered state of consciousness

1087
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:25,050
you know temporarily that you put

1088
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:26,850
temporarily absent-minded half asleep

1089
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:29,370
hypnotized in a trance or I would add

1090
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:31,170
for the abduction phenomenon in a

1091
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:33,930
hypnagogic state well let's let's

1092
00:48:38,660 --> 00:48:35,970
discuss the role of the unconscious or

1093
00:48:39,740 --> 00:48:38,670
subconscious in the individual first of

1094
00:48:42,500 --> 00:48:39,750
all and then we'll then we'll look at it

1095
00:48:46,130 --> 00:48:42,510
in the collective unconscious okay well

1096
00:48:49,550 --> 00:48:46,140
it's one of the key idea in key ideas in

1097
00:48:53,140 --> 00:48:49,560
parapsychology that those phenomena a

1098
00:48:55,670 --> 00:48:53,150
phenomenon are somehow linked to

1099
00:48:59,150 --> 00:48:55,680
unconscious processes something very

1100
00:49:02,300 --> 00:48:59,160
deep in the human mind when there are

1101
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:02,310
conflicts in the human minds and those

1102
00:49:08,390 --> 00:49:05,490
conflicts cannot be expressed in some

1103
00:49:10,940 --> 00:49:08,400
occasions then there the mind finds a

1104
00:49:13,550 --> 00:49:10,950
way to influence the environment outside

1105
00:49:15,500 --> 00:49:13,560
and communicate those conflicts that's

1106
00:49:18,230 --> 00:49:15,510
how all the guys are explained that says

1107
00:49:20,780 --> 00:49:18,240
a person in state of distress but cannot

1108
00:49:22,970 --> 00:49:20,790
speak for all kinds of social reason to

1109
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:22,980
the rest of the family and there's so

1110
00:49:28,250 --> 00:49:25,050
much accumulation of frustration that

1111
00:49:31,460 --> 00:49:28,260
are but yet not expressed that in some

1112
00:49:34,730 --> 00:49:31,470
occasions then the it will take the the

1113
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:34,740
root of a psychokinesis kinetic effect

1114
00:49:38,930 --> 00:49:36,450
and things will start to move and break

1115
00:49:42,020 --> 00:49:38,940
down so that's one aspect the other

1116
00:49:45,470 --> 00:49:42,030
aspect is the realm of the unconscious

1117
00:49:46,460 --> 00:49:45,480
is really the realm of the symbolic when

1118
00:49:48,260 --> 00:49:46,470
we have dreams at night

1119
00:49:50,330 --> 00:49:48,270
for instance coming from the unconscious

1120
00:49:52,790 --> 00:49:50,340
mind the demeaning of those dreams is

1121
00:49:56,030 --> 00:49:52,800
very very symbolic and that's why so

1122
00:49:58,010 --> 00:49:56,040
oftentimes very hard to interpret but so

1123
00:50:00,310 --> 00:49:58,020
the Masters we get from the unconscious

1124
00:50:04,039 --> 00:50:00,320
that may become telepathic or

1125
00:50:05,989 --> 00:50:04,049
premonitions or in the case of psycho

1126
00:50:08,359 --> 00:50:05,999
smoothing things they tend to have a

1127
00:50:12,349 --> 00:50:08,369
symbolic meaning that's hard to decipher

1128
00:50:14,359 --> 00:50:12,359
but they are meaningful so the the

1129
00:50:17,209 --> 00:50:14,369
unconscious plays a key role

1130
00:50:21,799 --> 00:50:17,219
you know this how exactly we don't know

1131
00:50:24,679 --> 00:50:21,809
but we know that side effects usually

1132
00:50:28,459 --> 00:50:24,689
have also a symbolic meaning one sort of

1133
00:50:29,689 --> 00:50:28,469
another and it could be as simple as you

1134
00:50:31,089 --> 00:50:29,699
know you have a warning so you have a

1135
00:50:34,249 --> 00:50:31,099
permanent premonition that something

1136
00:50:36,979 --> 00:50:34,259
wrong is about to happen but because the

1137
00:50:39,979 --> 00:50:36,989
unconscious speaks in symbols and in

1138
00:50:40,910 --> 00:50:39,989
feelings you will not get the details of

1139
00:50:43,910 --> 00:50:40,920
it

1140
00:50:46,189 --> 00:50:43,920
but in a dream you may get a symbol

1141
00:50:47,839 --> 00:50:46,199
that's used to show danger so I'm just

1142
00:50:50,390 --> 00:50:47,849
somebody you don't like for instance the

1143
00:50:51,829 --> 00:50:50,400
visiting you it's not that that person

1144
00:50:54,079 --> 00:50:51,839
will ever visit you but there's

1145
00:50:56,449 --> 00:50:54,089
something dangerous coming your way so

1146
00:50:58,660 --> 00:50:56,459
you better be watch out so that's the

1147
00:51:02,529 --> 00:50:58,670
the unconscious plays like that and so

1148
00:51:04,969 --> 00:51:02,539
because of that when we people see

1149
00:51:07,910 --> 00:51:04,979
anomalies and anomalies that because

1150
00:51:10,489 --> 00:51:07,920
website they inject symbols that are

1151
00:51:13,099 --> 00:51:10,499
meaningful to them so into the 20th

1152
00:51:15,049 --> 00:51:13,109
century they will see in 21st century

1153
00:51:17,390 --> 00:51:15,059
they will be seeing aliens from outer

1154
00:51:20,179 --> 00:51:17,400
space but hundred years ago there would

1155
00:51:21,919 --> 00:51:20,189
be just an inventor of an airship and

1156
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:21,929
two hundred years ago would be the ghost

1157
00:51:26,809 --> 00:51:25,890
driver of a coach and so on let's do our

1158
00:51:28,939 --> 00:51:26,819
break here folks

1159
00:51:31,249 --> 00:51:28,949
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1160
00:51:39,630 --> 00:51:31,259
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1161
00:51:47,370 --> 00:51:44,260
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chris we're talking to Eric Willett the

1228
00:54:51,099 --> 00:54:48,440
book is called illuminations Chris Eric

1229
00:54:52,390 --> 00:54:51,109
you were starting to talk about how and

1230
00:54:54,309 --> 00:54:52,400
this is something that's been pointed

1231
00:54:57,480 --> 00:54:54,319
out before is Jacque fell a I think most

1232
00:55:01,000 --> 00:54:57,490
notably pointed out that these

1233
00:55:04,240 --> 00:55:01,010
paranormal esque type of phenomenon tend

1234
00:55:07,990 --> 00:55:04,250
to mimic the technology of the times and

1235
00:55:10,990 --> 00:55:08,000
and that that would be a real I think

1236
00:55:12,910 --> 00:55:11,000
good piece of evidence to suggest that

1237
00:55:16,240 --> 00:55:12,920
what we're looking at is there's some

1238
00:55:19,059 --> 00:55:16,250
sort of unconscious social element at

1239
00:55:22,270 --> 00:55:19,069
work here words used to describe events

1240
00:55:23,829 --> 00:55:22,280
back in ancient times were couched in

1241
00:55:25,390 --> 00:55:23,839
the vernacular of the times and as you

1242
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:25,400
pointed out in the 21st century now we

1243
00:55:31,030 --> 00:55:28,130
have high-tech object seemingly flitting

1244
00:55:33,549 --> 00:55:31,040
about our airspace another thing that

1245
00:55:37,059 --> 00:55:33,559
you point out too in hauntings is that

1246
00:55:40,660 --> 00:55:37,069
the older the haunting the older

1247
00:55:44,650 --> 00:55:40,670
hauntings tend to exhibit manifestations

1248
00:55:47,799 --> 00:55:44,660
within a fairly static environment in

1249
00:55:49,839 --> 00:55:47,809
other words in in particular places the

1250
00:55:52,980 --> 00:55:49,849
history of the place tends to almost it

1251
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:52,990
seemingly perpetuate the types of

1252
00:55:58,329 --> 00:55:56,170
effects that that are that are seen a

1253
00:56:00,880 --> 00:55:58,339
good example that you don't point out

1254
00:56:04,210 --> 00:56:00,890
but I remember is the the shriek of a

1255
00:56:06,309 --> 00:56:04,220
banshee means the death in the o'connell

1256
00:56:08,010 --> 00:56:06,319
or Brian Kavanaugh and I think a couple

1257
00:56:09,690 --> 00:56:08,020
of other families but

1258
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:09,700
in those families you know when you hear

1259
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:13,210
the Banshee wail if you're an O'Brien

1260
00:56:19,950 --> 00:56:18,130
like me you better watch your back once

1261
00:56:22,530 --> 00:56:19,960
you explain how that could be possible

1262
00:56:26,460 --> 00:56:22,540
and what the implications are okay

1263
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:26,470
there's a press ecologist who studied a

1264
00:56:31,260 --> 00:56:28,090
little bit these things this name is a

1265
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:31,270
non door for door who talked about the

1266
00:56:36,260 --> 00:56:33,610
the guest outs is the word he uses a

1267
00:56:38,700 --> 00:56:36,270
fancy word of families that's somehow

1268
00:56:42,630 --> 00:56:38,710
because people talk and family in from

1269
00:56:45,450 --> 00:56:42,640
generation to generations ideas concepts

1270
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:45,460
perceptions are communicated but also

1271
00:56:51,830 --> 00:56:47,290
the beliefs that comes with it in the

1272
00:56:55,170 --> 00:56:51,840
and and so if in a family the belief of

1273
00:56:56,940 --> 00:56:55,180
something choosing them let's say is

1274
00:56:58,530 --> 00:56:56,950
well entrenched and it's passed from one

1275
00:57:02,340 --> 00:56:58,540
generation to another

1276
00:57:04,170 --> 00:57:02,350
then if the Arps I effect created by the

1277
00:57:08,430 --> 00:57:04,180
unconscious mind that conscious mind

1278
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:08,440
will go and seek out from sources that

1279
00:57:14,070 --> 00:57:11,530
are in your mind and so if this belief

1280
00:57:16,620 --> 00:57:14,080
that there are some force forces are

1281
00:57:19,260 --> 00:57:16,630
choosing especially your family and that

1282
00:57:21,150 --> 00:57:19,270
belief is strong from one generation to

1283
00:57:25,190 --> 00:57:21,160
the next then definitely the probability

1284
00:57:27,330 --> 00:57:25,200
is that across time the same kind of

1285
00:57:30,030 --> 00:57:27,340
anomalies will show up in a particular

1286
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:30,040
family because people share that from

1287
00:57:34,500 --> 00:57:31,930
mom from one generation to the next

1288
00:57:37,590 --> 00:57:34,510
well that's the DuckTales nicely into

1289
00:57:40,950 --> 00:57:37,600
the whole idea of social sigh of X and

1290
00:57:42,390 --> 00:57:40,960
in the there Fodor the description is is

1291
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:42,400
a good one but but there have been

1292
00:57:46,740 --> 00:57:44,170
actually some pair of psychological

1293
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:46,750
experiments that were undertaken in the

1294
00:57:53,970 --> 00:57:49,930
60s and 70s that that really I think

1295
00:57:56,310 --> 00:57:53,980
were dramatically able to show how this

1296
00:57:59,400 --> 00:57:56,320
particular as you put it I think in

1297
00:58:01,080 --> 00:57:59,410
personal effects can be manifested by a

1298
00:58:04,620 --> 00:58:01,090
group of people let's talk about the

1299
00:58:07,290 --> 00:58:04,630
sparrow experiments and also the Kenneth

1300
00:58:09,300 --> 00:58:07,300
Batchelder who conducted a similar

1301
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:09,310
experiment yes there's been experiments

1302
00:58:14,100 --> 00:58:11,530
with groups of people one of them is

1303
00:58:17,580 --> 00:58:14,110
called the Philip experiment done in the

1304
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:17,590
early 70s where people voluntarily

1305
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:21,490
decided to create an artificial ghost

1306
00:58:26,550 --> 00:58:23,770
and so they met they use all kinds of

1307
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:26,560
techniques to try to get their

1308
00:58:31,670 --> 00:58:29,410
unconscious free and liberated and

1309
00:58:35,010 --> 00:58:31,680
eventually they started to notice

1310
00:58:37,380 --> 00:58:35,020
psychokinetic affects mostly knocking on

1311
00:58:41,579 --> 00:58:37,390
the table and they were apparently it

1312
00:58:44,010 --> 00:58:41,589
was led to lift the table out of only

1313
00:58:45,980 --> 00:58:44,020
one leg so all the three other legs were

1314
00:58:49,349 --> 00:58:45,990
lifting and they were just touching

1315
00:58:51,510 --> 00:58:49,359
gently the top of the table so the thing

1316
00:58:53,220 --> 00:58:51,520
is that one of the the conclusion of

1317
00:58:56,790 --> 00:58:53,230
these people is that there seems to be

1318
00:58:58,440 --> 00:58:56,800
strength in in people also when it comes

1319
00:59:00,270 --> 00:58:58,450
to side effects

1320
00:59:03,210 --> 00:59:00,280
another researchers as you mentioned

1321
00:59:05,010 --> 00:59:03,220
bastard or did sounds with groups so

1322
00:59:07,380 --> 00:59:05,020
like they were doing in the 19th century

1323
00:59:10,410 --> 00:59:07,390
but you took a different approach right

1324
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:10,420
again to get people to again to relax to

1325
00:59:16,290 --> 00:59:13,450
have a good time but also those timidly

1326
00:59:18,690 --> 00:59:16,300
to liberate their unconscious so to go

1327
00:59:21,300 --> 00:59:18,700
and be free and believing they can

1328
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:21,310
actually do things in effect the reality

1329
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:22,810
around them and they were actually able

1330
00:59:27,690 --> 00:59:25,810
to have an influence on on Lightning's

1331
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:27,700
the lights in the building where they

1332
00:59:33,180 --> 00:59:31,210
were almost at will are they were very

1333
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:33,190
often able to do it which shows again

1334
00:59:38,790 --> 00:59:36,010
that this seems to be some strength in

1335
00:59:41,450 --> 00:59:38,800
number which leads me then to think that

1336
00:59:45,150 --> 00:59:41,460
might be if we have a million people

1337
00:59:48,570 --> 00:59:45,160
having the same unconscious challenges

1338
00:59:50,250 --> 00:59:48,580
worries or or and they cannot really

1339
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:50,260
express it because they don't know

1340
00:59:54,329 --> 00:59:52,210
what's going to happen well maybe they

1341
00:59:59,010 --> 00:59:54,339
we have a situation where there's a lot

1342
01:00:01,710 --> 00:59:59,020
of sigh energy available for a big scale

1343
01:00:03,359 --> 01:00:01,720
anomaly to occur that's one of the key

1344
01:00:05,220 --> 01:00:03,369
ideas I'm proposing in the book

1345
01:00:08,810 --> 01:00:05,230
yeah and that's an important one because

1346
01:00:12,810 --> 01:00:08,820
if this conduct ale into the unconscious

1347
01:00:15,089 --> 01:00:12,820
mind of a group then you know all bets

1348
01:00:17,130 --> 01:00:15,099
are off I mean anything's possible in

1349
01:00:19,650 --> 01:00:17,140
that scenario and of course Dean Radin

1350
01:00:22,349 --> 01:00:19,660
is famous for establishing

1351
01:00:24,930 --> 01:00:22,359
scientifically that the human body

1352
01:00:27,900 --> 01:00:24,940
responds to stimuli before the stimuli

1353
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:27,910
arrives in many cases in

1354
01:00:34,079 --> 01:00:30,730
that in itself I think that time

1355
01:00:36,829 --> 01:00:34,089
dilation idea could possibly be applied

1356
01:00:39,319 --> 01:00:36,839
to you know times of social upheaval

1357
01:00:43,109 --> 01:00:39,329
people being in a state of uncertainty

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01:00:45,359 --> 01:00:43,119
and possibly in a state of fear and how

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01:00:47,250 --> 01:00:45,369
collectively this could manifest itself

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01:00:49,170 --> 01:00:47,260
in a variety of ways that would appear

1361
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:49,180
anomalous to them because they're

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01:00:54,630 --> 01:00:52,450
consciously not aware of it now you know

1363
01:00:58,190 --> 01:00:54,640
you discuss these experiments those were

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01:01:00,559 --> 01:00:58,200
almost ritualistic in a way in that the

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01:01:03,630 --> 01:01:00,569
participants were conscious and and

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01:01:06,180 --> 01:01:03,640
attempting to elicit some sort of group

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01:01:08,339 --> 01:01:06,190
group effects if you will but let's talk

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01:01:11,910 --> 01:01:08,349
about the continued talking about the

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01:01:15,029 --> 01:01:11,920
unconscious potential for manifestation

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01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:15,039
of you know inexplicable events yeah

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01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:18,250
well this the decide eeeh of the social

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01:01:24,930 --> 01:01:21,010
site or the social socially shared

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01:01:27,660 --> 01:01:24,940
unconscious the thing is that I have no

1374
01:01:30,329 --> 01:01:27,670
hard proof by I see a lot of color

1375
01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:30,339
correlations or or a circumstantial

1376
01:01:37,319 --> 01:01:33,730
evidence linked to UFO waves in this

1377
01:01:41,609 --> 01:01:37,329
regard one of them is the the famous UFO

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01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:41,619
wave of 1954 in France was mostly in

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01:01:49,289 --> 01:01:45,010
France not all in France but mostly the

1380
01:01:53,279 --> 01:01:49,299
peak of that event occurred also at the

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very same time we're back in Algeria

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01:02:00,140 --> 01:01:56,289
which was a French colony insurgents

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01:02:02,630 --> 01:02:00,150
were actually decided to launch an

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long-lasting insurgency against France

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01:02:08,970 --> 01:02:06,309
nobody really knew about this in 1954

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01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:08,980
but stressing to know that these two

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01:02:15,210 --> 01:02:11,170
events coincided at the same time it's

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as if and for our American listeners

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that war in Algeria France was a

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catastrophe

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I mean of a proportion there was over a

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million European living in Algeria and

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when the French government gave the the

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independence the country they had to

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leave right away and move to France

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they would have been lynched by the the

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Algerian that left scars and in the

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society I mean there was there was a it

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01:02:47,620 --> 01:02:44,720
was as bad as Vietnam and yet so that

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event those two events the the peak of

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the UFO wave and the formation of the

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01:02:56,470 --> 01:02:54,109
insurgent groups coincide at the exact

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01:03:00,190 --> 01:02:56,480
same time and so that tells me that

1404
01:03:03,339 --> 01:03:00,200
maybe collectively somehow there is this

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01:03:05,260 --> 01:03:03,349
unconscious feeling of premonition there

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01:03:07,839 --> 01:03:05,270
was something bad really was happening

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but people could not know what it was

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again and that the language of the

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unconscious that that is so symbolic was

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the language of using perceptions of

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objects in the sky whether they were

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real or not that's probably a mix of all

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kinds of things but that's an example

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that the social unconscious somehow

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wired us of something upcoming but like

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in most situations very hard to decipher

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this is Micah Hanks to the graylien

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cast the gold standard of paranormal

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[Music]

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with Eric welat joining us author of

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illuminations Chris okay Eric continue I

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think this is a good example that you

1534
01:08:23,870 --> 01:08:20,909
were referring to before how does this

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01:08:25,490 --> 01:08:23,880
dovetail into you know where's the

1536
01:08:28,089 --> 01:08:25,500
connecting point between let's say a

1537
01:08:31,160 --> 01:08:28,099
focus person in a poltergeist case and

1538
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:31,170
trying to identify where a focus person

1539
01:08:36,399 --> 01:08:34,650
is located in a UFO way for instance you

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01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:36,409
know we do you think it was a collective

1541
01:08:43,240 --> 01:08:39,770
as you you mentioning me the Algerian

1542
01:08:45,499 --> 01:08:43,250
uprising and and then the corresponding

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01:08:49,089 --> 01:08:45,509
straight line mystery I think is Amy

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Michelle famously coined it in his book

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which I again highly recommend UFOs in

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01:08:55,820 --> 01:08:54,089
the straight-line mystery is is a

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01:08:59,329 --> 01:08:55,830
seminal work it's hard to find but if

1548
01:09:01,399 --> 01:08:59,339
you'll find a copy grab it continue your

1549
01:09:03,410 --> 01:09:01,409
sort of correlation between the two

1550
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:03,420
events and then give us other examples I

1551
01:09:08,390 --> 01:09:05,130
think the Washington wave would be a

1552
01:09:12,140 --> 01:09:08,400
possible you know example that had the

1553
01:09:14,059 --> 01:09:12,150
same kind of social honey's surrounding

1554
01:09:16,760 --> 01:09:14,069
I think the McCarthy hearings and the

1555
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rise of Russia's a superpower and it's

1556
01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:18,540
been you know a nuclear nuclear

1557
01:09:25,849 --> 01:09:21,810
adversary and that sort of thing yes the

1558
01:09:30,320 --> 01:09:25,859
example of the 1952 UFO wave over

1559
01:09:32,899 --> 01:09:30,330
Washington DC has the same kind of bell

1560
01:09:35,089 --> 01:09:32,909
curve that bonk okay to describe you

1561
01:09:37,579 --> 01:09:35,099
know the first weekend they saw

1562
01:09:40,010 --> 01:09:37,589
something you know so people were

1563
01:09:42,709 --> 01:09:40,020
surprised the the controllers didn't

1564
01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:42,719
know what to make of it but it was we

1565
01:09:47,269 --> 01:09:44,250
didn't know what it was but it started

1566
01:09:49,519 --> 01:09:47,279
kind of gently then the second weekend

1567
01:09:52,249 --> 01:09:49,529
now the depress was there and all the

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01:09:54,260 --> 01:09:52,259
sensationalist people who are interested

1569
01:09:58,070 --> 01:09:54,270
of talking about aliens from outer space

1570
01:10:00,770 --> 01:09:58,080
were involved at that points of the

1571
01:10:02,899 --> 01:10:00,780
naive observers and the UFO gives a

1572
01:10:05,060 --> 01:10:02,909
pretty good show that second weekend Air

1573
01:10:06,770 --> 01:10:05,070
Force and jets they could not catch

1574
01:10:09,950 --> 01:10:06,780
anything they couldn't see anything and

1575
01:10:14,149 --> 01:10:09,960
yet there were radars and then next step

1576
01:10:16,879 --> 01:10:14,159
was the arrival of the Blue Book people

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and other defense officials saying no no

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no no this is your year-round this is

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all

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the thermal inversion and other things

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01:10:27,630 --> 01:10:24,730
which were probably in many instances

1582
01:10:30,420 --> 01:10:27,640
correct but nothing all of them and then

1583
01:10:33,510 --> 01:10:30,430
so the awful wave that was going on in

1584
01:10:35,550 --> 01:10:33,520
the US at the time and over Washington

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01:10:40,370 --> 01:10:35,560
in general start declined at that point

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and then we had the Commission

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commission that tried to put the lid on

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01:10:48,330 --> 01:10:45,940
this like we we the US military are

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tired of getting civilian reports about

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all these things so we need to do

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something about it because we have other

1592
01:10:55,770 --> 01:10:53,500
more important things to do so that's

1593
01:10:59,130 --> 01:10:55,780
the bell curve but if we look at it more

1594
01:11:01,530 --> 01:10:59,140
carefully the the peak of the the two

1595
01:11:04,020 --> 01:11:01,540
weekends the peak there happen the same

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01:11:06,290 --> 01:11:04,030
time as the Democratic convention was

1597
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going on in Chicago there was a time of

1598
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McCarthyism it was almost at this height

1599
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and of course Washington DC is the land

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of civil servant and on federal civil

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servants who were the main targets of

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McCarty who's seeing communists

1603
01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:22,410
everywhere we have people that were

1604
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oppressed by the situation and yet

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because of civil servants they cannot

1606
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speak publicly about what's going on so

1607
01:11:34,710 --> 01:11:32,290
they were kind of muted it's very

1608
01:11:37,590 --> 01:11:34,720
similar to a person that is in the

1609
01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:37,600
classic poltergeist psychological trauma

1610
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and yet unable to speak interestingly

1611
01:11:46,140 --> 01:11:42,370
because it happened at the same time as

1612
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the Democratic convention and because it

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got the military involved it's

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01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:49,510
interesting to note that the ones who

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were fighting McCarty were the Democrats

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at the time and eventually a few two

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years later is the military that stood

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up firm to McCarty and put an end to to

1619
01:12:06,690 --> 01:12:03,490
his witch-hunt so it's interesting that

1620
01:12:09,270 --> 01:12:06,700
again we have the key ingredients that

1621
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:09,280
are quite similar to the ones would

1622
01:12:14,430 --> 01:12:11,530
happen in a classic family poltergeist

1623
01:12:16,230 --> 01:12:14,440
well you also have concurrent sightings

1624
01:12:17,450 --> 01:12:16,240
around military installations as you

1625
01:12:19,710 --> 01:12:17,460
point out in South Korea Okinawa

1626
01:12:21,870 --> 01:12:19,720
Greenland Newfoundland West Germany I

1627
01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:21,880
think it says during the time period

1628
01:12:27,780 --> 01:12:24,610
where Gordon Cooper chased after UFOs

1629
01:12:30,270 --> 01:12:27,790
and in a fighter jet while he was in the

1630
01:12:32,370 --> 01:12:30,280
Air Force so this is something that I

1631
01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:32,380
wasn't aware of that in the US military

1632
01:12:38,370 --> 01:12:33,850
installations in the performance in

1633
01:12:39,750 --> 01:12:38,380
countries also had sightings we explain

1634
01:12:42,660 --> 01:12:39,760
the connection there because there you

1635
01:12:46,620 --> 01:12:42,670
don't have your geographic sort of you

1636
01:12:49,500 --> 01:12:46,630
know proximity to the potential social

1637
01:12:51,930 --> 01:12:49,510
ankle active social unconscious aints or

1638
01:12:55,110 --> 01:12:51,940
fear or uncertainty what would explain

1639
01:12:58,170 --> 01:12:55,120
these upwelling of reports in such you

1640
01:13:01,260 --> 01:12:58,180
know far-flung places I think in the

1641
01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:01,270
case of it's what we would call a

1642
01:13:06,600 --> 01:13:03,730
reporting effect we have to remember

1643
01:13:08,700 --> 01:13:06,610
that in the early 50s and actually still

1644
01:13:11,910 --> 01:13:08,710
true today by the way the Y's will have

1645
01:13:13,590 --> 01:13:11,920
real good quality radars is how ways the

1646
01:13:16,980 --> 01:13:13,600
military their radars are superior to

1647
01:13:18,750 --> 01:13:16,990
civilian radars and so ways true so

1648
01:13:22,320 --> 01:13:18,760
that's one thing that there would be the

1649
01:13:24,930 --> 01:13:22,330
first see it anyway if it's on radar the

1650
01:13:26,220 --> 01:13:24,940
second aspect to it is that because you

1651
01:13:28,830 --> 01:13:26,230
know it was the middle of the Cold War

1652
01:13:31,910 --> 01:13:28,840
they were watching the sky way more even

1653
01:13:34,950 --> 01:13:31,920
if just with binoculars in sensitive

1654
01:13:37,980 --> 01:13:34,960
installations because they were quite

1655
01:13:40,350 --> 01:13:37,990
worried of a sneak Soviet attack so

1656
01:13:42,210 --> 01:13:40,360
again if someone reports something in

1657
01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:42,220
the sky is because they were looking

1658
01:13:47,910 --> 01:13:44,410
more so that's another aspect the last

1659
01:13:50,190 --> 01:13:47,920
aspect is that in the early 50s the US

1660
01:13:53,160 --> 01:13:50,200
military was not too sure what to make

1661
01:13:55,470 --> 01:13:53,170
of UFO still they were pretty sure there

1662
01:13:58,440 --> 01:13:55,480
was nothing to it but they were still

1663
01:14:01,260 --> 01:13:58,450
wondering and so they were having a

1664
01:14:04,920 --> 01:14:01,270
reporting system to see what's going on

1665
01:14:07,080 --> 01:14:04,930
and so so the we have a lot of data

1666
01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:07,090
because they were actually compiling

1667
01:14:13,350 --> 01:14:09,850
them but that doesn't mean that the

1668
01:14:16,290 --> 01:14:13,360
phenomena was necessarily more intensely

1669
01:14:18,030 --> 01:14:16,300
focusing on the military if we look

1670
01:14:20,910 --> 01:14:18,040
outside Washington I think it's maybe a

1671
01:14:22,620 --> 01:14:20,920
reporting effect well another example it

1672
01:14:27,050 --> 01:14:22,630
kind of springs to mind that you don't

1673
01:14:30,320 --> 01:14:27,060
mention in the book is the Swedish and

1674
01:14:32,700 --> 01:14:30,330
ghost rockets of 1947

1675
01:14:36,780 --> 01:14:32,710
of course you have your elements of

1676
01:14:39,120 --> 01:14:36,790
rockets which instilled fear in nations

1677
01:14:44,150 --> 01:14:39,130
that were hit the end of the trajectory

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01:14:47,490 --> 01:14:44,160
you have the uncertainty of Russia

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becoming now a much bigger superpower

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than they were prior to World War two

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and then you have the symbol of again of

1682
01:14:59,940 --> 01:14:56,410
the rocket which you know people equate

1683
01:15:02,250 --> 01:14:59,950
it to the v2 rocket obviously which you

1684
01:15:05,640 --> 01:15:02,260
know devastated parts of London so we

1685
01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:05,650
have those same sort of social kind of

1686
01:15:11,790 --> 01:15:10,090
unease I guess fear uncertainty how much

1687
01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:11,800
of that ghost rocket phenomenon do you

1688
01:15:17,700 --> 01:15:15,370
feel was you know possibly psychological

1689
01:15:20,190 --> 01:15:17,710
in nature versus you know potential

1690
01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:20,200
hardware it's a it's it's an interesting

1691
01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:25,210
case the thing is that in 1946 6 & 7

1692
01:15:31,410 --> 01:15:27,610
there are still no rockets so we could

1693
01:15:34,020 --> 01:15:31,420
be going that far from the Soviet Pal

1694
01:15:36,240 --> 01:15:34,030
territory in Eastern Europe so that's

1695
01:15:38,760 --> 01:15:36,250
why a lot of people are saying that

1696
01:15:40,290 --> 01:15:38,770
nothing happened maybe there's there was

1697
01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:40,300
something else maybe they were earth

1698
01:15:45,720 --> 01:15:43,330
lice or I don't know but what is

1699
01:15:48,870 --> 01:15:45,730
interesting is as you mentioned is that

1700
01:15:51,150 --> 01:15:48,880
people saw and interpreted what they saw

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as being rockets even though they were

1702
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not understanding that technology was

1703
01:15:58,590 --> 01:15:56,110
not that advanced at the time but they

1704
01:16:01,230 --> 01:15:58,600
were certainly well aware of what

1705
01:16:04,500 --> 01:16:01,240
happened during the bombing of London

1706
01:16:07,650 --> 01:16:04,510
with the v2 so yes absolutely people

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draw in images and knowledge based on

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what they know and then they projected

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to things but Sweden was in a very tough

1710
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position at a time and interestingly

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that's there all the same time where the

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Swedish government was seriously

1713
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thinking about launching its own nuclear

1714
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research program which they started but

1715
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then given the costs involved they

1716
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stopped okay we have Eric Willett and

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listening to the podcast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio so eric

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well that is telling us about sweden

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considering their own nuclear program

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tell me more well sweden uh they face

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the situation that they wanted to remain

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neutral and they did not want to be

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involved in the in the cold war and

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definitely the nuclear weapons was

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becoming the key the game-changer in all

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01:21:31,879 --> 01:21:29,280
this the actual work started later in

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the 50s and stops um in the early

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sixties in their nuclear program but it

1843
01:21:41,149 --> 01:21:38,340
shows a level of worries they had that

1844
01:21:42,890 --> 01:21:41,159
they to D felt at the time that the only

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way to protect themselves is to be an

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occluder our I mean a small one but

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still a nuclear power that it shows at

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01:21:51,870 --> 01:21:50,699
least that this level of anxiety there

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was

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at the time that people in that part of

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01:22:03,330 --> 01:21:56,920
the world I think we just a ghost rocket

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01:22:06,570 --> 01:22:03,340
fly why we've been discussing with UFO

1853
01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:06,580
waves and also how they they correlate

1854
01:22:11,580 --> 01:22:09,850
to to some haunting cases and there

1855
01:22:13,140 --> 01:22:11,590
seems to be a bell curve let's discuss

1856
01:22:15,900 --> 01:22:13,150
that bell curve in a little bit more

1857
01:22:17,910 --> 01:22:15,910
detail phase one as you described it as

1858
01:22:21,630 --> 01:22:17,920
surprise phase two is this placement

1859
01:22:24,540 --> 01:22:21,640
phase 3 is decline and then phase 4 is

1860
01:22:26,940 --> 01:22:24,550
suppression and that accurately reflects

1861
01:22:29,880 --> 01:22:26,950
a bell curve on a graph let's look at

1862
01:22:32,520 --> 01:22:29,890
these whoa quickly one by one and show

1863
01:22:35,550 --> 01:22:32,530
how they're integral in in continuing

1864
01:22:37,470 --> 01:22:35,560
that bell curve through its entire cycle

1865
01:22:39,830 --> 01:22:37,480
phase one surprise

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01:22:43,170 --> 01:22:39,840
yeah the surprise is that most

1867
01:22:45,720 --> 01:22:43,180
paranormal events so I'll take a number

1868
01:22:48,900 --> 01:22:45,730
of damn but it goes hum things both the

1869
01:22:51,600 --> 01:22:48,910
guys and I would say UFO ways they start

1870
01:22:55,380 --> 01:22:51,610
very gently and there's there's a few

1871
01:22:57,390 --> 01:22:55,390
sightings here there and then so and

1872
01:22:59,340 --> 01:22:57,400
then it starts to build up a little

1873
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bigger what happened at that time is

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01:23:06,810 --> 01:23:02,560
that there are key people who see these

1875
01:23:08,400 --> 01:23:06,820
things and they they their witness of

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that but they don't really know what it

1877
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is so again at that point unconsciously

1878
01:23:17,280 --> 01:23:13,660
they may feel there's something

1879
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paranormal about it or weird but they

1880
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don't really know what it is and that's

1881
01:23:27,900 --> 01:23:22,080
that's that's the time where it's still

1882
01:23:31,520 --> 01:23:27,910
not a major event and again the the

1883
01:23:33,900 --> 01:23:31,530
theory is that the this is the

1884
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unconscious strength of the people that

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will determine the intensity of the

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phenomena at the surprise phase the you

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know at least in the classic poltergeist

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case the focused person the person that

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seems to be around the phenomena is also

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not too sure what's going on the family

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around the person is not sure if the

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individual in question is involved so

1893
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there's a lot of unknown and that's the

1894
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UFO wave if you think I will not example

1895
01:24:07,440 --> 01:24:04,660
from the book is the Belgian

1896
01:24:09,810 --> 01:24:07,450
your wave in the first few weeks or the

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few first few days they don't know

1898
01:24:12,900 --> 01:24:11,470
what's going on I'm not sure what's

1899
01:24:16,440 --> 01:24:12,910
going on but it seems to be something

1900
01:24:19,710 --> 01:24:16,450
weird so that's a surprise face if we

1901
01:24:23,310 --> 01:24:19,720
move to the to the next phase that's

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01:24:26,850 --> 01:24:23,320
really where there are people who come

1903
01:24:30,360 --> 01:24:26,860
along that are true believers I neither

1904
01:24:33,630 --> 01:24:30,370
goals or spirit causing poster guys or

1905
01:24:35,640 --> 01:24:33,640
ETH so they do true believe it truly

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01:24:38,850 --> 01:24:35,650
believed that the UFOs are caused by

1907
01:24:41,400 --> 01:24:38,860
aliens from outer space and that's they

1908
01:24:41,850 --> 01:24:41,410
put a lot of inject into what people

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01:24:45,120 --> 01:24:41,860
think

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01:24:47,580 --> 01:24:45,130
in a classic poltergeist case the the

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01:24:50,040 --> 01:24:47,590
the you will have the the ghost hunters

1912
01:24:53,010 --> 01:24:50,050
or the house clearing people will come

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01:24:56,250 --> 01:24:53,020
and actually by their very presence they

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01:24:58,020 --> 01:24:56,260
actually confirm the beliefs of the

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01:25:00,150 --> 01:24:58,030
people live in the house that there is

1916
01:25:02,250 --> 01:25:00,160
an evil spirit in their house which

1917
01:25:05,970 --> 01:25:02,260
actually just reinforced the intensity

1918
01:25:07,680 --> 01:25:05,980
of the belief and guess what the

1919
01:25:10,560 --> 01:25:07,690
intensity of the phenomenon is also

1920
01:25:12,960 --> 01:25:10,570
increasing and same thing we have with

1921
01:25:16,020 --> 01:25:12,970
UFO is that when you have the ETH

1922
01:25:18,420 --> 01:25:16,030
ethologist especially the the not so -

1923
01:25:20,880 --> 01:25:18,430
not so sophisticated ones are writing on

1924
01:25:23,430 --> 01:25:20,890
the scene they are just pushing this

1925
01:25:26,550 --> 01:25:23,440
idea further that yeah yeah aliens are

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01:25:28,890 --> 01:25:26,560
coming and then a lot of people start to

1927
01:25:32,130 --> 01:25:28,900
interpret things around them that way

1928
01:25:34,200 --> 01:25:32,140
and usually in a UFO wave then the

1929
01:25:35,850 --> 01:25:34,210
phenomena start to intensify that

1930
01:25:38,130 --> 01:25:35,860
there's way more sightings than the

1931
01:25:41,490 --> 01:25:38,140
sightings becoming more and more exotic

1932
01:25:45,420 --> 01:25:41,500
in nature again the the the Belgian UFO

1933
01:25:48,630 --> 01:25:45,430
wave there is a key organization that

1934
01:25:50,640 --> 01:25:48,640
was involved too so bad first-class

1935
01:25:53,160 --> 01:25:50,650
ufologists by the way they're very

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01:25:55,950 --> 01:25:53,170
level-headed people and they did a very

1937
01:25:58,230 --> 01:25:55,960
good job in and and Goering data so I

1938
01:26:00,840 --> 01:25:58,240
have to get them kudos they're a hundred

1939
01:26:05,370 --> 01:26:00,850
percent however there are believers in

1940
01:26:09,480 --> 01:26:05,380
eth and so as they come to get the cases

1941
01:26:12,240 --> 01:26:09,490
and do press conferences they project

1942
01:26:14,610 --> 01:26:12,250
that idea that indeed there is some

1943
01:26:17,180 --> 01:26:14,620
visitors they focus a lot on the

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01:26:18,420 --> 01:26:17,190
triangular types of object even though

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01:26:20,640 --> 01:26:18,430
there was

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01:26:23,130 --> 01:26:20,650
only 50% of observations that were about

1947
01:26:25,800 --> 01:26:23,140
triangular object but they created that

1948
01:26:29,010 --> 01:26:25,810
mood that that intensity that there's

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01:26:31,050 --> 01:26:29,020
something real going on and then of

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01:26:33,690 --> 01:26:31,060
course you have the intensity going up

1951
01:26:37,580 --> 01:26:33,700
then the face of the client is really

1952
01:26:39,600 --> 01:26:37,590
the one because as events gets known

1953
01:26:42,510 --> 01:26:39,610
that there are people much more

1954
01:26:45,450 --> 01:26:42,520
skeptical coming along in the classic

1955
01:26:47,880 --> 01:26:45,460
poltergeist you will

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01:26:51,330 --> 01:26:47,890
it could be just police officers oh it

1957
01:26:53,160 --> 01:26:51,340
could be parapsychologists but they

1958
01:26:55,920 --> 01:26:53,170
start to ask questions a lot of

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01:26:59,490 --> 01:26:55,930
questions how many witnesses you know

1960
01:27:02,190 --> 01:26:59,500
what do you really saw can I check and

1961
01:27:04,050 --> 01:27:02,200
be there if to see things and that's

1962
01:27:07,500 --> 01:27:04,060
where I start to decline because these

1963
01:27:10,380 --> 01:27:07,510
people we think are by their very

1964
01:27:12,930 --> 01:27:10,390
attitude removes the belief that this is

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01:27:15,150 --> 01:27:12,940
actually what's going on and then the

1966
01:27:17,610 --> 01:27:15,160
phenomenon declines at that point and

1967
01:27:20,760 --> 01:27:17,620
then here

1968
01:27:24,600 --> 01:27:20,770
the case of UFOs interestingly if we

1969
01:27:26,570 --> 01:27:24,610
compare Washington 1952 the military

1970
01:27:29,640 --> 01:27:26,580
authorities and government authorities

1971
01:27:32,220 --> 01:27:29,650
were really sending the signal there's

1972
01:27:34,290 --> 01:27:32,230
nothing wrong in Bayesian excuse me is

1973
01:27:36,510 --> 01:27:34,300
that why we have these spectacular

1974
01:27:40,770 --> 01:27:36,520
sightings early on but it doesn't seem

1975
01:27:44,100 --> 01:27:40,780
as if the UFO events of the present day

1976
01:27:47,130 --> 01:27:44,110
or anywhere near as elaborate true and

1977
01:27:49,740 --> 01:27:47,140
that's that's a good question some

1978
01:27:51,930 --> 01:27:49,750
people are talking about the decline in

1979
01:27:54,330 --> 01:27:51,940
UFOs because maybe there's a decline in

1980
01:27:56,730 --> 01:27:54,340
interest and beliefs in you know the

1981
01:28:00,120 --> 01:27:56,740
aliens that went home that's an art

1982
01:28:03,540 --> 01:28:00,130
explanation I should ask them if it's

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01:28:06,360 --> 01:28:03,550
true and so far answer yeah all you

1984
01:28:10,230 --> 01:28:06,370
abductees out there please next time you

1985
01:28:11,880 --> 01:28:10,240
get taken aboard ask your abductors how

1986
01:28:14,210 --> 01:28:11,890
many of them are still around and how

1987
01:28:17,310 --> 01:28:14,220
come there doesn't seem to be as many

1988
01:28:20,850 --> 01:28:17,320
yeah no and it's a very good point you

1989
01:28:24,710 --> 01:28:20,860
making because over time I would say the

1990
01:28:29,220 --> 01:28:24,720
the principle anomalistic phenomena

1991
01:28:32,670 --> 01:28:29,230
changes with so hot hundred years ago it

1992
01:28:35,280 --> 01:28:32,680
was the medium in a

1993
01:28:38,970 --> 01:28:35,290
hundred years before was the ghost the

1994
01:28:42,150 --> 01:28:38,980
classic ghost it has been UFOs part of

1995
01:28:44,520 --> 01:28:42,160
20th century and for the 21st century we

1996
01:28:45,930 --> 01:28:44,530
may have a nodder dominant paranormal

1997
01:28:47,820 --> 01:28:45,940
phenomena that would be completely

1998
01:28:50,130 --> 01:28:47,830
different I don't know

1999
01:28:52,410 --> 01:28:50,140
yeah the Dick Cheney cloned and being

2000
01:28:55,050 --> 01:28:52,420
seen in simultaneous places all over the

2001
01:28:57,630 --> 01:28:55,060
world in like like the attack of the

2002
01:28:59,250 --> 01:28:57,640
50-foot woman you know whose giant dick

2003
01:29:01,700 --> 01:28:59,260
cheney's you know rampaging through

2004
01:29:03,690 --> 01:29:01,710
cities like Godzilla

2005
01:29:07,710 --> 01:29:03,700
maybe I don't think it would be that

2006
01:29:09,500 --> 01:29:07,720
does temptation though I'm trying to

2007
01:29:13,770 --> 01:29:09,510
lighten up the mood here just a hair

2008
01:29:16,230 --> 01:29:13,780
okay so what is the event of the 21st

2009
01:29:17,940 --> 01:29:16,240
century so far it's still UFOs yeah yeah

2010
01:29:20,790 --> 01:29:17,950
let's do some conjecturing here what

2011
01:29:23,910 --> 01:29:20,800
would be what would be a good what-if

2012
01:29:28,440 --> 01:29:23,920
scenario that could show how this whole

2013
01:29:30,330 --> 01:29:28,450
sort of psychosocial manifested

2014
01:29:31,980 --> 01:29:30,340
phenomena could be progressing forward

2015
01:29:33,030 --> 01:29:31,990
in time what would be a good one for the

2016
01:29:38,370 --> 01:29:33,040
21st century

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01:29:42,600 --> 01:29:38,380
some sort of disease let's see

2018
01:29:46,290 --> 01:29:42,610
plague that sort of thing or oai of

2019
01:29:49,080 --> 01:29:46,300
course computers robots taking over why

2020
01:29:53,120 --> 01:29:49,090
I think that the the the the the object

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01:29:58,860 --> 01:29:53,130
we should look at is what makes people

2022
01:30:02,550 --> 01:29:58,870
concern is there some some tensions in

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01:30:05,600 --> 01:30:02,560
the world that concerns a vast majority

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01:30:09,420 --> 01:30:05,610
of the population or a good chunk of it

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01:30:10,560 --> 01:30:09,430
on an ongoing basis I mean the Cold War

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and the UFO

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it's the match is almost perfect but now

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01:30:20,490 --> 01:30:18,400
we are in post-cold war world people are

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01:30:22,230 --> 01:30:20,500
worried about terrorism to some degree

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01:30:26,190 --> 01:30:22,240
they are worried about the environment

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another degree it start to say let's

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explain this further in our next segment

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with Jeanne and Chris and Eric Willett

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paranormal radio okay so what is the

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01:35:19,950 --> 01:35:17,620
next phenomenon zombies oh yes some B's

2139
01:35:22,290 --> 01:35:19,960
are taking over I don't think there is

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any I mean maybe I maybe I'm ignorant

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because I didn't really study that in

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01:35:31,500 --> 01:35:27,190
debt but I don't think there is reports

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01:35:35,790 --> 01:35:31,510
real reports of zombie attacks am I

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01:35:38,760 --> 01:35:35,800
wrong yeah just go to Vegas or just walk

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around any American city and you'll see

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a lot of zombies walking around in a

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state of waking coma

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no question about it well those are the

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people who watch certain cable TV

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networks okay yeah maybe some fashions

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of people taking some habits of doing

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certain things but I probably not see it

2153
01:36:03,240 --> 01:36:00,820
as terribly paranormal there is

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something along those lines that I've

2155
01:36:09,330 --> 01:36:05,080
heard and not from a number of sources

2156
01:36:11,730 --> 01:36:09,340
but it's still early days of this some

2157
01:36:14,130 --> 01:36:11,740
people talk about shadow people which is

2158
01:36:16,770 --> 01:36:14,140
a variation of the concept of a ghost

2159
01:36:19,260 --> 01:36:16,780
yeah black children

2160
01:36:21,030 --> 01:36:19,270
yeah and that's something that people

2161
01:36:22,290 --> 01:36:21,040
see in the corner of the eye so it's

2162
01:36:26,010 --> 01:36:22,300
really open to all kinds of

2163
01:36:28,200 --> 01:36:26,020
interpretation but what makes it I would

2164
01:36:32,510 --> 01:36:28,210
say maybe the next one is that this

2165
01:36:36,360 --> 01:36:32,520
seems to be becoming a shared way of

2166
01:36:38,670 --> 01:36:36,370
describing events so this seems to be a

2167
01:36:41,340 --> 01:36:38,680
lot of countries a lot of cities where

2168
01:36:43,320 --> 01:36:41,350
people have these reports probably

2169
01:36:44,010 --> 01:36:43,330
because before didn't they pay any

2170
01:36:47,100 --> 01:36:44,020
attention to that

2171
01:36:50,100 --> 01:36:47,110
and because there's some natural and

2172
01:36:52,170 --> 01:36:50,110
biological aspects to it but as it

2173
01:36:54,080 --> 01:36:52,180
becomes part of an you believe that they

2174
01:36:57,600 --> 01:36:54,090
might be shadow people then they might

2175
01:37:00,540 --> 01:36:57,610
again the unconscious might actually use

2176
01:37:02,970 --> 01:37:00,550
that as a vehicle to project some side

2177
01:37:05,400 --> 01:37:02,980
effects and then so then the shadow

2178
01:37:07,570 --> 01:37:05,410
people will be a little bit more real in

2179
01:37:10,240 --> 01:37:07,580
the sense that the unconscious is more

2180
01:37:13,270 --> 01:37:10,250
actively engaged in using that for

2181
01:37:14,830 --> 01:37:13,280
communicating well yeah it's going to be

2182
01:37:20,190 --> 01:37:14,840
interesting I do think that we're seeing

2183
01:37:23,290 --> 01:37:20,200
a a what appears to be a decline in

2184
01:37:27,970 --> 01:37:23,300
alleged reports or alleged encounters

2185
01:37:31,030 --> 01:37:27,980
with that especially with aliens the

2186
01:37:32,710 --> 01:37:31,040
abduction phenomenon seems to be you

2187
01:37:36,210 --> 01:37:32,720
know fading out a little bit we may be

2188
01:37:39,970 --> 01:37:36,220
in the decline stage in that regard

2189
01:37:41,770 --> 01:37:39,980
we're also seeing that UFOs are tending

2190
01:37:45,040 --> 01:37:41,780
to stay further away from witnesses you

2191
01:37:48,280 --> 01:37:45,050
have less close proximity cases now as

2192
01:37:51,130 --> 01:37:48,290
opposed to in the 70's 80's 90's would

2193
01:37:53,170 --> 01:37:51,140
be the last real period when a fairly

2194
01:37:55,570 --> 01:37:53,180
dramatic number of close encounter cases

2195
01:37:59,230 --> 01:37:55,580
were reported why do you think that is

2196
01:38:01,180 --> 01:37:59,240
well why do you think UFOs are staying

2197
01:38:03,610 --> 01:38:01,190
further away because our increased level

2198
01:38:05,770 --> 01:38:03,620
of technology is maybe putting them at

2199
01:38:09,220 --> 01:38:05,780
risk of being detected and possibly

2200
01:38:11,230 --> 01:38:09,230
identified or is it that they just don't

2201
01:38:13,630 --> 01:38:11,240
need to get close anymore they've you

2202
01:38:15,460 --> 01:38:13,640
know gained all the information they

2203
01:38:17,560 --> 01:38:15,470
need and this symbiotic relationship

2204
01:38:20,080 --> 01:38:17,570
with the culture and now they're just

2205
01:38:22,630 --> 01:38:20,090
out there to you know dance around and

2206
01:38:26,890 --> 01:38:22,640
entertain us and and give grist for the

2207
01:38:29,260 --> 01:38:26,900
internet or something well there's two

2208
01:38:30,790 --> 01:38:29,270
lines of explanations I think we can

2209
01:38:33,340 --> 01:38:30,800
look at and that they're they're not

2210
01:38:38,310 --> 01:38:33,350
mutually exclusive one of them is like

2211
01:38:40,480 --> 01:38:38,320
you mentioned is that there's more

2212
01:38:43,990 --> 01:38:40,490
knowledge and understanding of what's

2213
01:38:46,180 --> 01:38:44,000
going on in the sky I mean in 1950s to

2214
01:38:49,890 --> 01:38:46,190
see jetliners was something fairly new

2215
01:38:52,600 --> 01:38:49,900
for a lot of people today it's a mundane

2216
01:38:55,750 --> 01:38:52,610
totally mundane events I mean people see

2217
01:38:58,180 --> 01:38:55,760
jet liners the sky all the time so maybe

2218
01:39:00,820 --> 01:38:58,190
there's more awareness of what is a

2219
01:39:03,490 --> 01:39:00,830
natural event or human-made event

2220
01:39:06,580 --> 01:39:03,500
compared to the past so because of that

2221
01:39:09,520 --> 01:39:06,590
then there's less interpretation linked

2222
01:39:10,000 --> 01:39:09,530
to UFO as spacecraft form on another

2223
01:39:12,580 --> 01:39:10,010
world

2224
01:39:14,140 --> 01:39:12,590
that's one portion of it the other one I

2225
01:39:17,320 --> 01:39:14,150
think this one is maybe more

2226
01:39:20,810 --> 01:39:17,330
controversial but I will say it I think

2227
01:39:25,250 --> 01:39:20,820
that ufologists especially in the 1980

2228
01:39:28,190 --> 01:39:25,260
and 90s were really personally I find it

2229
01:39:30,440 --> 01:39:28,200
was an era completely delusional

2230
01:39:34,220 --> 01:39:30,450
people coming up with completely

2231
01:39:36,560 --> 01:39:34,230
unfounded facts you know unproven

2232
01:39:37,460 --> 01:39:36,570
anything and yet making big statements

2233
01:39:39,500 --> 01:39:37,470
about aliens

2234
01:39:42,470 --> 01:39:39,510
beating the earth and huge gigantic

2235
01:39:44,750 --> 01:39:42,480
conspiracies and this actually I think

2236
01:39:48,230 --> 01:39:44,760
had an effect is that the population in

2237
01:39:51,950 --> 01:39:48,240
general got just sick of it and the the

2238
01:39:55,570 --> 01:39:51,960
wolf conspiracy / alien perspective

2239
01:39:58,550 --> 01:39:55,580
decline very significantly in people's

2240
01:40:01,820 --> 01:39:58,560
consciousness because it seems to be

2241
01:40:06,250 --> 01:40:01,830
they reach a level of absurdity so great

2242
01:40:08,630 --> 01:40:06,260
that people gave up and lost interests I

2243
01:40:11,330 --> 01:40:08,640
kind of have to disagree somewhat I

2244
01:40:13,850 --> 01:40:11,340
think we're seeing more and more people

2245
01:40:15,890 --> 01:40:13,860
diving deeper and deeper into delusion I

2246
01:40:18,980 --> 01:40:15,900
think there's a there's millions of

2247
01:40:22,580 --> 01:40:18,990
people out there that have been affected

2248
01:40:24,320 --> 01:40:22,590
very deeply on a subconscious level into

2249
01:40:26,560 --> 01:40:24,330
believing that that aliens

2250
01:40:29,720 --> 01:40:26,570
Laoghaire UNS Drac Draco's

2251
01:40:31,370 --> 01:40:29,730
zeta-reticulans I mean these terms are

2252
01:40:33,830 --> 01:40:31,380
bounced around on the internet and

2253
01:40:36,290 --> 01:40:33,840
millions of people are buying into this

2254
01:40:39,020 --> 01:40:36,300
stuff people like David Wilcock and this

2255
01:40:41,360 --> 01:40:39,030
new guy Corey Goode oh yeah I've been to

2256
01:40:43,850 --> 01:40:41,370
Mars yeah there's intergalactic war

2257
01:40:46,460 --> 01:40:43,860
going on this stuff is being taken at

2258
01:40:48,290 --> 01:40:46,470
face value by a lot of people whereas

2259
01:40:52,310 --> 01:40:48,300
back in the 80s and 90s people were a

2260
01:40:55,970 --> 01:40:52,320
lot more I think circumspect and just

2261
01:40:57,800 --> 01:40:55,980
more dubious and and yeah I see the the

2262
01:41:00,860 --> 01:40:57,810
opposite going on I really think that

2263
01:41:04,930 --> 01:41:00,870
there's a subculture growing that is

2264
01:41:08,480 --> 01:41:04,940
actually almost viewing these

2265
01:41:10,820 --> 01:41:08,490
fantastical delusional claims in a

2266
01:41:12,440 --> 01:41:10,830
quasi-religious sense I almost see it as

2267
01:41:15,650 --> 01:41:12,450
religious belief that people have

2268
01:41:17,300 --> 01:41:15,660
suspended their disbelief and you know

2269
01:41:19,550 --> 01:41:17,310
believe they're they're eating the body

2270
01:41:21,970 --> 01:41:19,560
and blood of an alien that's opposed to

2271
01:41:25,430 --> 01:41:21,980
the Christian mass of the Catholic Mass

2272
01:41:26,960 --> 01:41:25,440
as we watch the TV show Supergirl they

2273
01:41:29,180 --> 01:41:26,970
have a character called the Martian

2274
01:41:31,880 --> 01:41:29,190
Manhunter so you see we've therefore

2275
01:41:33,180 --> 01:41:31,890
have Martians but that's of course based

2276
01:41:35,790 --> 01:41:33,190
on the comic books

2277
01:41:37,950 --> 01:41:35,800
yeah I agree with what you're saying but

2278
01:41:41,270 --> 01:41:37,960
why I'm talking about the population in

2279
01:41:43,740 --> 01:41:41,280
general I agree with you there is a

2280
01:41:46,340 --> 01:41:43,750
minority that is probably getting even

2281
01:41:49,170 --> 01:41:46,350
deeper and that's not the word

2282
01:41:51,360 --> 01:41:49,180
hypothesis in ETA she's not warranted

2283
01:41:53,100 --> 01:41:51,370
this should be a pure belief system so

2284
01:41:56,190 --> 01:41:53,110
this is there for sure

2285
01:41:59,250 --> 01:41:56,200
but one of the indicators would be the

2286
01:42:01,560 --> 01:41:59,260
success of the second series of x-files

2287
01:42:05,460 --> 01:42:01,570
I mean it was very successful in the

2288
01:42:08,850 --> 01:42:05,470
1990s because it was touching a chord if

2289
01:42:10,320 --> 01:42:08,860
the show fails now like 20 years later I

2290
01:42:12,210 --> 01:42:10,330
think it will be

2291
01:42:14,970 --> 01:42:12,220
I mean failing in the sense of not being

2292
01:42:17,190 --> 01:42:14,980
as popular as it was might be an

2293
01:42:18,750 --> 01:42:17,200
indicator that yeah people moved on from

2294
01:42:20,730 --> 01:42:18,760
those things I mean the majority of the

2295
01:42:24,120 --> 01:42:20,740
populations that's what I mean here

2296
01:42:26,730 --> 01:42:24,130
though understand also that fewer people

2297
01:42:29,280 --> 01:42:26,740
watch network TV anymore

2298
01:42:31,200 --> 01:42:29,290
so you could have half the ratings and

2299
01:42:34,560 --> 01:42:31,210
still be successful the first three

2300
01:42:36,960 --> 01:42:34,570
episodes were relatively successful yes

2301
01:42:39,210 --> 01:42:36,970
again like I said it's controversial

2302
01:42:44,150 --> 01:42:39,220
what I'm saying those measures of

2303
01:42:46,740 --> 01:42:44,160
success but this issue is how how these

2304
01:42:50,180 --> 01:42:46,750
conspiracy theories in general in

2305
01:42:53,880 --> 01:42:50,190
population general have there was a

2306
01:42:56,640 --> 01:42:53,890
level of acceptance come now compared to

2307
01:42:57,450 --> 01:42:56,650
them I think it's less now than then but

2308
01:43:00,780 --> 01:42:57,460
it could be wrong

2309
01:43:03,930 --> 01:43:00,790
well the overarching theory now in

2310
01:43:06,510 --> 01:43:03,940
x-files is that's not et who's involved

2311
01:43:10,230 --> 01:43:06,520
but the government using alien

2312
01:43:11,820 --> 01:43:10,240
technology to engage in its stuff yes

2313
01:43:14,610 --> 01:43:11,830
and though the people who make those

2314
01:43:16,830 --> 01:43:14,620
shows they make it to sell right so they

2315
01:43:18,600 --> 01:43:16,840
have a good pulse of what people are

2316
01:43:20,970 --> 01:43:18,610
looking for and that I think this

2317
01:43:23,400 --> 01:43:20,980
actually speaks volume of my my

2318
01:43:26,970 --> 01:43:23,410
commercial theory here another thing I

2319
01:43:28,950 --> 01:43:26,980
want to point out also is that kids that

2320
01:43:32,940 --> 01:43:28,960
have been growing up in the last 20

2321
01:43:35,250 --> 01:43:32,950
years for instance 25 years have been

2322
01:43:37,140 --> 01:43:35,260
you know totally saturated by the

2323
01:43:40,140 --> 01:43:37,150
concept of aliens coming here from

2324
01:43:42,000 --> 01:43:40,150
another planet and it's almost like part

2325
01:43:43,560 --> 01:43:42,010
of their reality it's almost part of the

2326
01:43:45,870 --> 01:43:43,570
belief system that's sort of built in

2327
01:43:46,700 --> 01:43:45,880
they almost accepted it at face value

2328
01:43:48,500 --> 01:43:46,710
without even

2329
01:43:50,840 --> 01:43:48,510
thinking about it or without it really

2330
01:43:52,880 --> 01:43:50,850
moving them in any direction negative or

2331
01:43:55,040 --> 01:43:52,890
positive you ask the average 15 or 20

2332
01:43:56,959 --> 01:43:55,050
year old you know what do you think UFOs

2333
01:44:00,700 --> 01:43:56,969
are and they all think it's it's aliens

2334
01:44:03,650 --> 01:44:00,710
I think the the the media in general has

2335
01:44:07,070 --> 01:44:03,660
indoctrinated people into believing in

2336
01:44:08,959 --> 01:44:07,080
the ETH I think that maybe by design on

2337
01:44:11,060 --> 01:44:08,969
some level whether it's conscious or

2338
01:44:11,830 --> 01:44:11,070
unconscious I'm part of the

2339
01:44:16,010 --> 01:44:11,840
powers-that-be

2340
01:44:18,170 --> 01:44:16,020
who control the media who control you

2341
01:44:20,840 --> 01:44:18,180
know the actual dissemination of

2342
01:44:23,229 --> 01:44:20,850
propaganda and culture I think in some

2343
01:44:25,760 --> 01:44:23,239
part it may be to hide secret technology

2344
01:44:29,540 --> 01:44:25,770
that there's a good chance that this is

2345
01:44:30,830 --> 01:44:29,550
very convenient to you know create a you

2346
01:44:33,020 --> 01:44:30,840
know sort of an atmosphere of plausible

2347
01:44:34,910 --> 01:44:33,030
deniability by the government and so I

2348
01:44:37,820 --> 01:44:34,920
think it's almost become accepted as

2349
01:44:39,590 --> 01:44:37,830
opposed to being rejected at least in

2350
01:44:42,440 --> 01:44:39,600
this country you know I think it's a lot

2351
01:44:44,540 --> 01:44:42,450
more commonplace in terms of people's

2352
01:44:47,000 --> 01:44:44,550
thinking that these things are real and

2353
01:44:49,729 --> 01:44:47,010
that the e th is is you know obviously

2354
01:44:52,070 --> 01:44:49,739
the most popular theory behind to

2355
01:44:55,209 --> 01:44:52,080
explain it I am not sure about that III

2356
01:44:58,850 --> 01:44:55,219
agree with you that there the view that

2357
01:45:03,080 --> 01:44:58,860
UFOs are considered a spaceship from

2358
01:45:05,870 --> 01:45:03,090
another world is a very wide distributed

2359
01:45:07,940 --> 01:45:05,880
views but what I'm talking about here is

2360
01:45:11,330 --> 01:45:07,950
that people being really attention to

2361
01:45:13,729 --> 01:45:11,340
that much less I think we have Eric

2362
01:45:16,580 --> 01:45:13,739
wallet the book is called illuminations

2363
01:45:22,260 --> 01:45:16,590
that's not et with Jeanne and Chris

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01:45:31,580 --> 01:45:28,290
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please yes the example we're talking

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about when people ask do you believe in

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UFO I have a lot of fun because I always

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01:48:19,200 --> 01:48:16,630
ask them what do you mean and then they

2421
01:48:21,720 --> 01:48:19,210
get to I get the blank stare and say

2422
01:48:23,669 --> 01:48:21,730
okay I'll help you with this you see do

2423
01:48:26,700 --> 01:48:23,679
I believe that strange objects in the

2424
01:48:29,160 --> 01:48:26,710
skies are or you if our are spaceships

2425
01:48:31,169 --> 01:48:29,170
and then the answer is no and then do

2426
01:48:33,390 --> 01:48:31,179
you ask me do I believe there are

2427
01:48:36,300 --> 01:48:33,400
anomalies in the sky I also say no

2428
01:48:38,700 --> 01:48:36,310
because I know there are reported

2429
01:48:41,280 --> 01:48:38,710
anomalies it's not a matter of belief so

2430
01:48:45,359 --> 01:48:41,290
yes I agree with you the distortion that

2431
01:48:50,069 --> 01:48:45,369
the the less sociation between UFO and

2432
01:48:51,660 --> 01:48:50,079
ETS is is a common view but that doesn't

2433
01:48:54,120 --> 01:48:51,670
make people pay much attention to it

2434
01:48:56,100 --> 01:48:54,130
which is kind of strange but if we look

2435
01:48:59,100 --> 01:48:56,110
at the unconscious level I don't think

2436
01:49:02,970 --> 01:48:59,110
that has reached to the same depth that

2437
01:49:04,950 --> 01:49:02,980
it used to be 20 years ago and a large

2438
01:49:07,319 --> 01:49:04,960
segment of the population that's my

2439
01:49:09,899 --> 01:49:07,329
argument I could be wrong but I think it

2440
01:49:13,350 --> 01:49:09,909
explains in part why we see less UFOs

2441
01:49:17,910 --> 01:49:13,360
now and I think it's important not to be

2442
01:49:19,890 --> 01:49:17,920
too you know ethnocentric about this you

2443
01:49:22,350 --> 01:49:19,900
know discussing this subject in the

2444
01:49:24,899 --> 01:49:22,360
United States and in North America let's

2445
01:49:27,270 --> 01:49:24,909
say you're gonna have a different

2446
01:49:28,770 --> 01:49:27,280
quality of conversation in South America

2447
01:49:32,399 --> 01:49:28,780
definitely a different quality of

2448
01:49:34,939 --> 01:49:32,409
conversation in the Far East but we're

2449
01:49:37,800 --> 01:49:34,949
seeing in my estimation we're seeing

2450
01:49:41,490 --> 01:49:37,810
almost a coalescing together a melding

2451
01:49:43,319 --> 01:49:41,500
together of the impact of the

2452
01:49:44,640 --> 01:49:43,329
sensationalism in the United States for

2453
01:49:48,240 --> 01:49:44,650
instance and media coverage and

2454
01:49:50,280 --> 01:49:48,250
Hollywood that I think is having a

2455
01:49:54,030 --> 01:49:50,290
measurable impact and how people in

2456
01:49:56,100 --> 01:49:54,040
other very diverse cultures are

2457
01:49:57,510 --> 01:49:56,110
experienced in the phenomenon I'll give

2458
01:50:02,190 --> 01:49:57,520
you an example the a

2459
01:50:06,000 --> 01:50:02,200
gray image which was ubiquitous I think

2460
01:50:08,580 --> 01:50:06,010
to the United States for at least a

2461
01:50:11,990 --> 01:50:08,590
decade or so before you even began to

2462
01:50:15,180 --> 01:50:12,000
have any sort of reports of alien greys

2463
01:50:19,200 --> 01:50:15,190
allegedly being seen or interacted with

2464
01:50:22,440 --> 01:50:19,210
in other countries South America Europe

2465
01:50:25,680 --> 01:50:22,450
you know Russia it took a while for that

2466
01:50:28,950 --> 01:50:25,690
particular meme if you will to gain

2467
01:50:30,720 --> 01:50:28,960
strength and be propagated to other

2468
01:50:33,090 --> 01:50:30,730
ethnic groups in other parts of the

2469
01:50:35,730 --> 01:50:33,100
world that's correct that's correct and

2470
01:50:37,850 --> 01:50:35,740
that's true for all kinds of other types

2471
01:50:40,380 --> 01:50:37,860
of phenomena I mean if you compare

2472
01:50:42,990 --> 01:50:40,390
Britain and France in terms of how

2473
01:50:45,810 --> 01:50:43,000
things I mean the entire country of naya

2474
01:50:47,940 --> 01:50:45,820
of Great Britain is haunted if you read

2475
01:50:49,620 --> 01:50:47,950
some reports and France is very very

2476
01:50:53,670 --> 01:50:49,630
rare that you will see something like

2477
01:50:55,830 --> 01:50:53,680
that so there's definitely a social and

2478
01:50:57,870 --> 01:50:55,840
cultural components to that if you think

2479
01:51:00,810 --> 01:50:57,880
about going back to UFOs in the Middle

2480
01:51:02,970 --> 01:51:00,820
East is very rare that you will get UFO

2481
01:51:04,800 --> 01:51:02,980
sightings but you will have all the

2482
01:51:10,410 --> 01:51:04,810
types of things that we cannot even

2483
01:51:13,290 --> 01:51:10,420
imagine one of my favorites example here

2484
01:51:16,830 --> 01:51:13,300
is during the the revolution in Iran in

2485
01:51:19,860 --> 01:51:16,840
1979 there is people claiming to see the

2486
01:51:23,010 --> 01:51:19,870
phase of hiatal a hominid in the clouds

2487
01:51:25,410 --> 01:51:23,020
now if you say that in North America

2488
01:51:28,440 --> 01:51:25,420
people say okay you need to check to the

2489
01:51:30,990 --> 01:51:28,450
psych ward urgently over there it was an

2490
01:51:33,240 --> 01:51:31,000
acceptable perception and maybe there is

2491
01:51:34,920 --> 01:51:33,250
some side effects that you know there

2492
01:51:37,590 --> 01:51:34,930
were people were sensing what was going

2493
01:51:40,050 --> 01:51:37,600
on I don't know but definitely culture

2494
01:51:42,210 --> 01:51:40,060
and society plays a big role in terms of

2495
01:51:44,400 --> 01:51:42,220
what we see when we perceive and the

2496
01:51:47,100 --> 01:51:44,410
kind of anomalies that are reported

2497
01:51:49,020 --> 01:51:47,110
definitely well in the details too I

2498
01:51:51,780 --> 01:51:49,030
think the details are filtered through a

2499
01:51:53,610 --> 01:51:51,790
cultural bias no no question we do have

2500
01:51:55,890 --> 01:51:53,620
some questions here in our question Bank

2501
01:51:57,480 --> 01:51:55,900
where our listeners are able to post

2502
01:51:59,850 --> 01:51:57,490
their questions that we then ask our

2503
01:52:02,700 --> 01:51:59,860
guests here at the para caste so go to

2504
01:52:05,490 --> 01:52:02,710
forum dr. Peric ascom click on the

2505
01:52:07,500 --> 01:52:05,500
question Bank and go ahead and post your

2506
01:52:10,259 --> 01:52:07,510
questions for our guests now we have a

2507
01:52:13,109 --> 01:52:10,269
question here from Wade which is a

2508
01:52:16,350 --> 01:52:13,119
and Wade's been a longtime poster he's

2509
01:52:19,259 --> 01:52:16,360
been he's just passed a 4,000 postmark

2510
01:52:20,489 --> 01:52:19,269
which is a bit of an accomplishment and

2511
01:52:24,299 --> 01:52:20,499
that's only yesterday

2512
01:52:26,669 --> 01:52:24,309
well no no he's not posted 196 posts

2513
01:52:28,950 --> 01:52:26,679
since yesterday but he's he's up there

2514
01:52:31,109 --> 01:52:28,960
he's a big fan of the show and in a very

2515
01:52:33,629 --> 01:52:31,119
astute observer he's wandering Eric are

2516
01:52:35,790 --> 01:52:33,639
there any UFO cases that it's tempting

2517
01:52:37,919 --> 01:52:35,800
to consider as parent psychological in

2518
01:52:39,810 --> 01:52:37,929
nature but otherwise have left behind

2519
01:52:43,169 --> 01:52:39,820
physical evidence in the way of tracks

2520
01:52:47,279 --> 01:52:43,179
unexplained markings or in the example

2521
01:52:50,220 --> 01:52:47,289
of our farmer or a rather bland tasting

2522
01:52:53,520 --> 01:52:50,230
pancake or is it the tracks and pancakes

2523
01:52:56,370 --> 01:52:53,530
are parapsychological yeah that's a very

2524
01:52:59,100 --> 01:52:56,380
good question physical basis there are

2525
01:53:00,959 --> 01:52:59,110
cases to them the delphos case you know

2526
01:53:03,959 --> 01:53:00,969
for instance a fluorescing ring that

2527
01:53:07,290 --> 01:53:03,969
lasted almost 20 hours yes there are a

2528
01:53:09,029 --> 01:53:07,300
number of cases that leaves traces but

2529
01:53:11,520 --> 01:53:09,039
there are a lot of variations right so

2530
01:53:13,859 --> 01:53:11,530
we have to be careful here so there

2531
01:53:15,930 --> 01:53:13,869
might be a number of explanations one of

2532
01:53:18,450 --> 01:53:15,940
them is simply that this earth light

2533
01:53:20,390 --> 01:53:18,460
that moved from one place to another and

2534
01:53:22,620 --> 01:53:20,400
then it brings you know some some

2535
01:53:25,319 --> 01:53:22,630
material from one place another so

2536
01:53:27,180 --> 01:53:25,329
that's that's one thing and although I

2537
01:53:30,239 --> 01:53:27,190
can't wait a minute earth light being

2538
01:53:32,640 --> 01:53:30,249
able to bring with it because this is

2539
01:53:35,279 --> 01:53:32,650
plasma and there's some dirt that comes

2540
01:53:37,790 --> 01:53:35,289
with it right to come and then so if it

2541
01:53:41,250 --> 01:53:37,800
pops up one place and then eventually

2542
01:53:43,109 --> 01:53:41,260
pops away and on a place you might have

2543
01:53:45,720 --> 01:53:43,119
bring a little bit of dust from another

2544
01:53:48,060 --> 01:53:45,730
place so so that can explain some of

2545
01:53:49,919 --> 01:53:48,070
those incident I'll have to look into

2546
01:53:51,479 --> 01:53:49,929
that and review my Paul Devereaux

2547
01:53:54,839 --> 01:53:51,489
material because I have never heard that

2548
01:53:57,479 --> 01:53:54,849
ever well it's like I'm saying it's that

2549
01:54:00,419 --> 01:53:57,489
one possibility one do the thing that

2550
01:54:03,770 --> 01:54:00,429
has been noted in poltergeist events is

2551
01:54:08,279 --> 01:54:03,780
actually there are a number of reports

2552
01:54:12,239 --> 01:54:08,289
where you have steps in the dirt or in

2553
01:54:14,669 --> 01:54:12,249
the mud that appeared on their own so

2554
01:54:18,899 --> 01:54:14,679
and so that suggests that psycho

2555
01:54:19,830 --> 01:54:18,909
kinetics can actually be more precise

2556
01:54:22,439 --> 01:54:19,840
than we think

2557
01:54:24,560 --> 01:54:22,449
so that's that's a possibility again we

2558
01:54:27,290 --> 01:54:24,570
don't have our proof here

2559
01:54:30,470 --> 01:54:27,300
that's part of it and then if we look at

2560
01:54:35,000 --> 01:54:30,480
more holistically probably the great the

2561
01:54:38,089 --> 01:54:35,010
the the the topmost expert in UFO

2562
01:54:40,040 --> 01:54:38,099
physical traces that Philips and over

2563
01:54:42,530 --> 01:54:40,050
the years I started to think that the

2564
01:54:44,930 --> 01:54:42,540
paranormal explanation is actually the

2565
01:54:47,359 --> 01:54:44,940
one that makes most sense fortunately

2566
01:54:50,589 --> 01:54:47,369
and we're still waiting for his new book

2567
01:54:53,689 --> 01:54:50,599
about this so I cannot divulge breath

2568
01:54:56,720 --> 01:54:53,699
but definitely there's this people

2569
01:54:59,510 --> 01:54:56,730
taking along those ways again when we

2570
01:55:02,689 --> 01:54:59,520
talk about marks on the ground like just

2571
01:55:06,140 --> 01:55:02,699
it could be again forming plasma I mean

2572
01:55:09,410 --> 01:55:06,150
that's that's this there's some research

2573
01:55:11,660 --> 01:55:09,420
being done by the British military among

2574
01:55:15,080 --> 01:55:11,670
others that this shows that balls of

2575
01:55:17,240 --> 01:55:15,090
plasma can't create those those certain

2576
01:55:19,939 --> 01:55:17,250
crop circles that are no more classic

2577
01:55:22,790 --> 01:55:19,949
ones not the the very elaborate ones

2578
01:55:25,280 --> 01:55:22,800
which probably almost all of them are

2579
01:55:27,950 --> 01:55:25,290
made by humans right but yes so there's

2580
01:55:30,979 --> 01:55:27,960
a number of explanations for a number of

2581
01:55:32,479 --> 01:55:30,989
different types of physical places but

2582
01:55:35,390 --> 01:55:32,489
and some of them are definitely in the

2583
01:55:37,250 --> 01:55:35,400
realm of the first ecology yeah well

2584
01:55:39,890 --> 01:55:37,260
when we come back from break Eric I want

2585
01:55:44,109 --> 01:55:39,900
to get your take on some

2586
01:55:46,370 --> 01:55:44,119
cryptozoological anomalies like Bigfoot

2587
01:55:48,939 --> 01:55:46,380
Nessie the Loch Ness monster and other

2588
01:55:51,350 --> 01:55:48,949
Lake Monsters and that sort of thing and

2589
01:55:54,410 --> 01:55:51,360
we'll see if this parapsychological

2590
01:55:57,080 --> 01:55:54,420
theory will will if there's a way to

2591
01:55:58,370 --> 01:55:57,090
explain those okay well let's get into

2592
01:55:59,060 --> 01:55:58,380
that real quick then before we go to

2593
01:56:01,399 --> 01:55:59,070
break

2594
01:56:04,399 --> 01:56:01,409
Eric what do you think a Bigfoot the

2595
01:56:07,250 --> 01:56:04,409
Yeti the wild man the the you know the

2596
01:56:09,770 --> 01:56:07,260
owl masty you can go down the line

2597
01:56:12,919 --> 01:56:09,780
around the world of a very similar type

2598
01:56:14,510 --> 01:56:12,929
wild man or large hairy hominid that's

2599
01:56:17,660 --> 01:56:14,520
been seen for many many years

2600
01:56:21,410 --> 01:56:17,670
generations and it tends to be

2601
01:56:24,709 --> 01:56:21,420
cross-cultural it's it doesn't have some

2602
01:56:26,540 --> 01:56:24,719
sort of cultural you know focus it does

2603
01:56:29,810 --> 01:56:26,550
tend to be all over the place also

2604
01:56:31,669 --> 01:56:29,820
little people every culture every Indian

2605
01:56:34,189 --> 01:56:31,679
culture in North America for instance

2606
01:56:37,820 --> 01:56:34,199
has stories of little people obviously

2607
01:56:39,920 --> 01:56:37,830
the most notable or the

2608
01:56:42,020 --> 01:56:39,930
the Kelty countries which have the idea

2609
01:56:45,110 --> 01:56:42,030
of leprechauns fairies brownies that

2610
01:56:47,570 --> 01:56:45,120
sort of thing trolls goblins and so when

2611
01:56:49,810 --> 01:56:47,580
we get back we'll go ahead and and pick

2612
01:56:53,570 --> 01:56:49,820
your brain on that one and don't forget

2613
01:56:54,560 --> 01:56:53,580
we have some really good shows coming up

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Phyllis budding er is going to be here

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gene we'll have special coverage also of

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through your questions that formed at

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with Eric bullet author of illuminations

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Chris so what do you think Eric you kind

2730
02:02:16,780 --> 02:02:14,180
of I know your book is is mainly geared

2731
02:02:19,060 --> 02:02:16,790
towards looking at the UFO phenomenon

2732
02:02:21,670 --> 02:02:19,070
and it's sort of related sort of

2733
02:02:23,590 --> 02:02:21,680
subcategories but what do you think of

2734
02:02:25,720 --> 02:02:23,600
the whole crypto zoological creature

2735
02:02:27,250 --> 02:02:25,730
thing are we looking at flesh-and-blood

2736
02:02:29,620 --> 02:02:27,260
creatures or are they pair of physical

2737
02:02:32,760 --> 02:02:29,630
in nature I am NOT an expert on those

2738
02:02:35,830 --> 02:02:32,770
but from what I know we have a very

2739
02:02:40,030 --> 02:02:35,840
again structurally we have very similar

2740
02:02:44,560 --> 02:02:40,040
situations so we have witnesses from all

2741
02:02:46,180 --> 02:02:44,570
places in groups alone that either see

2742
02:02:48,460 --> 02:02:46,190
things or hear things specially with

2743
02:02:51,040 --> 02:02:48,470
Bigfoot they're known to make big roars

2744
02:02:54,820 --> 02:02:51,050
and yet all the physical evidence we

2745
02:02:56,890 --> 02:02:54,830
have is either fake or very inconclusive

2746
02:02:59,320 --> 02:02:56,900
at best so we're very similar situation

2747
02:03:00,910 --> 02:02:59,330
that said there is no proof of what

2748
02:03:03,190 --> 02:03:00,920
we're dealing with and yet we have

2749
02:03:05,800 --> 02:03:03,200
people keep reporting the same thing

2750
02:03:08,320 --> 02:03:05,810
over and over so could it be something

2751
02:03:11,200 --> 02:03:08,330
price College at all I would think so

2752
02:03:11,680 --> 02:03:11,210
because if we think about Bigfoot and

2753
02:03:13,750 --> 02:03:11,690
other

2754
02:03:18,610 --> 02:03:13,760
types of similar creatures I mean this

2755
02:03:21,640 --> 02:03:18,620
is the classic meta logical man beast or

2756
02:03:24,070 --> 02:03:21,650
human beast construct this goes very

2757
02:03:28,420 --> 02:03:24,080
deep in our unconscious that these these

2758
02:03:31,030 --> 02:03:28,430
forces that we have that we actually put

2759
02:03:33,220 --> 02:03:31,040
into that kind of symbols and then are

2760
02:03:37,300 --> 02:03:33,230
there parts of the world where these

2761
02:03:40,780 --> 02:03:37,310
kinds of forces or ideas are may be more

2762
02:03:43,810 --> 02:03:40,790
prone to be taken out of our unconscious

2763
02:03:47,170 --> 02:03:43,820
maybe I don't know but definitely the

2764
02:03:50,020 --> 02:03:47,180
the structure of Bigfoots if you look at

2765
02:03:52,360 --> 02:03:50,030
people having operations more than

2766
02:03:54,880 --> 02:03:52,370
anything else is very similar to other

2767
02:03:58,690 --> 02:03:54,890
types of paranormal phenomenon and yet

2768
02:04:01,090 --> 02:03:58,700
there's no trace is really that are

2769
02:04:02,740 --> 02:04:01,100
trustworthy so yes I think there is a

2770
02:04:04,680 --> 02:04:02,750
way to study these things from our

2771
02:04:07,090 --> 02:04:04,690
psychological perspective absolutely

2772
02:04:09,240 --> 02:04:07,100
well here's one that's particularly

2773
02:04:11,350 --> 02:04:09,250
interesting to me having written

2774
02:04:13,060 --> 02:04:11,360
probably the only definitive book

2775
02:04:15,370 --> 02:04:13,070
looking at this mystery and that is the

2776
02:04:17,260 --> 02:04:15,380
so called unexplained livestock death

2777
02:04:19,330 --> 02:04:17,270
phenomenon popularly known as the cattle

2778
02:04:21,330 --> 02:04:19,340
mutilation phenomenon here we have

2779
02:04:24,850 --> 02:04:21,340
thousands of pounds of physical evidence

2780
02:04:27,790 --> 02:04:24,860
thousands of reported cases veterinary

2781
02:04:30,540 --> 02:04:27,800
pathology exams detecting all sorts of

2782
02:04:34,390 --> 02:04:30,550
strange anomalies that range from

2783
02:04:36,340 --> 02:04:34,400
various chemicals even one case that

2784
02:04:39,090 --> 02:04:36,350
they detected mescaline in the animal

2785
02:04:41,290 --> 02:04:39,100
what do you make of that and have you

2786
02:04:43,420 --> 02:04:41,300
attempted to dovetail your work in

2787
02:04:46,870 --> 02:04:43,430
looking at something that has the real

2788
02:04:48,970 --> 02:04:46,880
potential of being a you know in some

2789
02:04:50,980 --> 02:04:48,980
ways a media induced hysteria but based

2790
02:04:53,110 --> 02:04:50,990
on real cases in my estimation what do

2791
02:04:56,530 --> 02:04:53,120
you think yeah these are I haven't

2792
02:04:59,980 --> 02:04:56,540
studied them in any detail so I am a bit

2793
02:05:02,260 --> 02:04:59,990
careful here but there are again number

2794
02:05:04,780 --> 02:05:02,270
of explanations and that they were given

2795
02:05:07,510 --> 02:05:04,790
that are more mundane and they were

2796
02:05:11,140 --> 02:05:07,520
given so I think we ought to be careful

2797
02:05:13,960 --> 02:05:11,150
into which cases is actually good and

2798
02:05:17,290 --> 02:05:13,970
which one is more problematic again

2799
02:05:19,780 --> 02:05:17,300
could there be something else more along

2800
02:05:21,209 --> 02:05:19,790
the line of fresh ecology less it is a

2801
02:05:23,490 --> 02:05:21,219
predator and

2802
02:05:25,709 --> 02:05:23,500
that's that word there's a synchronicity

2803
02:05:27,240 --> 02:05:25,719
between the predator and what's going in

2804
02:05:30,030 --> 02:05:27,250
your head so there might be some

2805
02:05:32,790 --> 02:05:30,040
elements there a warning of some sort

2806
02:05:34,350 --> 02:05:32,800
but really I'm very speculating here

2807
02:05:38,729 --> 02:05:34,360
it's a world that they don't know much

2808
02:05:40,500 --> 02:05:38,739
my favorite theory was proposed by my my

2809
02:05:44,040 --> 02:05:40,510
current co-author for my next book David

2810
02:05:47,700 --> 02:05:44,050
Perkins who came to the conclusion after

2811
02:05:50,160 --> 02:05:47,710
studying this since 1975 you know he

2812
02:05:51,899 --> 02:05:50,170
kind of leaned on Carl Jung a little bit

2813
02:05:54,570 --> 02:05:51,909
and suggests that it could be a

2814
02:05:57,570 --> 02:05:54,580
collective manifestation of guilt over

2815
02:06:00,540 --> 02:05:57,580
the role of cattle in degradation of the

2816
02:06:02,430 --> 02:06:00,550
environment in possible implications for

2817
02:06:04,080 --> 02:06:02,440
human health that it could be almost

2818
02:06:06,240 --> 02:06:04,090
like a cultural stigmata that we're

2819
02:06:08,729 --> 02:06:06,250
warning ourselves that cattle are so

2820
02:06:10,620 --> 02:06:08,739
detrimental and everybody on some level

2821
02:06:13,200 --> 02:06:10,630
knows that in these cases are being

2822
02:06:15,030 --> 02:06:13,210
manifested collectively I think it makes

2823
02:06:17,220 --> 02:06:15,040
more sense than aliens coming to gather

2824
02:06:21,060 --> 02:06:17,230
genetic material as it which is the

2825
02:06:23,280 --> 02:06:21,070
popular again like the ETH you know it's

2826
02:06:25,229 --> 02:06:23,290
crept into the whole mccallum mutilation

2827
02:06:27,360 --> 02:06:25,239
phenomenon as well which it's definitely

2828
02:06:29,300 --> 02:06:27,370
the most popular theory but it doesn't

2829
02:06:31,620 --> 02:06:29,310
make any sense to me why would et's

2830
02:06:33,300 --> 02:06:31,630
sneak around in pastures when they could

2831
02:06:35,070 --> 02:06:33,310
pick the lock on a slaughterhouse and

2832
02:06:37,229 --> 02:06:35,080
get as much genetic material as they

2833
02:06:40,020 --> 02:06:37,239
wanted absolutely I could raise their

2834
02:06:43,050 --> 02:06:40,030
own cattle if they want I mean Indiana's

2835
02:06:44,669 --> 02:06:43,060
right so it's that explanation I found

2836
02:06:46,620 --> 02:06:44,679
very weak that doesn't mean that

2837
02:06:49,020 --> 02:06:46,630
everything else explains that because

2838
02:06:50,729 --> 02:06:49,030
the ETH is weak on this one well what do

2839
02:06:53,370 --> 02:06:50,739
you think about collective manifestation

2840
02:06:56,120 --> 02:06:53,380
of phenomenal effects akin to a

2841
02:06:59,060 --> 02:06:56,130
collective stigmata in the countryside

2842
02:07:01,290 --> 02:06:59,070
it's an interesting explanation I think

2843
02:07:04,290 --> 02:07:01,300
there could be something along those

2844
02:07:07,680 --> 02:07:04,300
lines that happening and I certainly

2845
02:07:09,689 --> 02:07:07,690
encourage people to follow that lead

2846
02:07:12,090 --> 02:07:09,699
because it seems per missing from my

2847
02:07:14,610 --> 02:07:12,100
perspective well well here's a good

2848
02:07:17,910 --> 02:07:14,620
question from Ravens fie who's very

2849
02:07:19,950 --> 02:07:17,920
knowledgeable about hauntings types of

2850
02:07:22,439 --> 02:07:19,960
occult cases and that sort of thing and

2851
02:07:25,229 --> 02:07:22,449
she's wondering about self negation and

2852
02:07:27,120 --> 02:07:25,239
she says in many poltergeist activities

2853
02:07:28,830 --> 02:07:27,130
the focus of the phenomenon Stara

2854
02:07:31,260 --> 02:07:28,840
typically is a troubled teenage girl

2855
02:07:34,250 --> 02:07:31,270
she's often found hoaxes in an event

2856
02:07:37,070 --> 02:07:34,260
alongside what appeared to be genuine

2857
02:07:38,660 --> 02:07:37,080
incidents UFO events often occur amongst

2858
02:07:41,360 --> 02:07:38,670
those who are prone to hoax in toward

2859
02:07:43,670 --> 02:07:41,370
assembling or otherwise not respectable

2860
02:07:46,070 --> 02:07:43,680
to what extent could human generated

2861
02:07:47,979 --> 02:07:46,080
side-effects be self negating both

2862
02:07:50,600 --> 02:07:47,989
expressing them in a spectacular fashion

2863
02:07:51,830 --> 02:07:50,610
and being simultaneously undermined by

2864
02:07:53,870 --> 02:07:51,840
the people who are unconsciously

2865
02:07:56,350 --> 02:07:53,880
creating them I would call the discovery

2866
02:07:59,810 --> 02:07:56,360
of our psychology if you look at the

2867
02:08:02,210 --> 02:07:59,820
mediums were used in the 19th century in

2868
02:08:05,690 --> 02:08:02,220
early 20th century some of them had

2869
02:08:08,450 --> 02:08:05,700
really interesting information like

2870
02:08:10,880 --> 02:08:08,460
premonitions clairvoyance ed really was

2871
02:08:13,580 --> 02:08:10,890
information accessed by non normal means

2872
02:08:16,100 --> 02:08:13,590
and yet in all that mix there were all

2873
02:08:18,170 --> 02:08:16,110
kinds of fraud and hoaxing it's very

2874
02:08:21,140 --> 02:08:18,180
hard to separate the two in with the

2875
02:08:23,270 --> 02:08:21,150
clear line in the way the fact that they

2876
02:08:26,450 --> 02:08:23,280
did need people around them to believe

2877
02:08:29,150 --> 02:08:26,460
they're true for that to happen it may

2878
02:08:32,030 --> 02:08:29,160
explain psychologically why these things

2879
02:08:34,520 --> 02:08:32,040
happens but yes if you think about UFO

2880
02:08:36,860 --> 02:08:34,530
we think about the belgian case or the

2881
02:08:38,870 --> 02:08:36,870
vs famous picture with now we know it's

2882
02:08:41,780 --> 02:08:38,880
a hoax but that pictures play an

2883
02:08:43,570 --> 02:08:41,790
important role in in reinforcing the

2884
02:08:45,530 --> 02:08:43,580
belief and I would say therefore

2885
02:08:49,610 --> 02:08:45,540
reinforcing the intensity of the

2886
02:08:51,470 --> 02:08:49,620
phenomenon so hoaxing in itself is

2887
02:08:54,350 --> 02:08:51,480
actually probably part of the overall

2888
02:08:57,650 --> 02:08:54,360
picture it's one variable and then an

2889
02:09:01,340 --> 02:08:57,660
important one it does not disqualify a

2890
02:09:03,710 --> 02:09:01,350
case necessarily this is something that

2891
02:09:06,350 --> 02:09:03,720
most people are not used to in terms of

2892
02:09:08,060 --> 02:09:06,360
thinking about the role of hoaxing but I

2893
02:09:10,400 --> 02:09:08,070
think it's which we have to have a

2894
02:09:11,570 --> 02:09:10,410
different approach in general so it's

2895
02:09:13,670 --> 02:09:11,580
your feeling that there's a lot of

2896
02:09:16,280 --> 02:09:13,680
hoaxing going on in the UFO field oh

2897
02:09:19,610 --> 02:09:16,290
yeah I mean if you read the Internet

2898
02:09:22,240 --> 02:09:19,620
there's always the latest proof I like

2899
02:09:24,890 --> 02:09:22,250
every minute there's a new latest proof

2900
02:09:27,640 --> 02:09:24,900
yes definitely and that that

2901
02:09:30,740 --> 02:09:27,650
participates in mating maintaining alive

2902
02:09:32,540 --> 02:09:30,750
the beliefs which in turn it is enough

2903
02:09:35,930 --> 02:09:32,550
beliefs then once in a while you have a

2904
02:09:39,170 --> 02:09:35,940
true anomaly happening so it's a

2905
02:09:42,680 --> 02:09:39,180
systemic view of the whole thing

2906
02:09:44,570 --> 02:09:42,690
I hope sport is part of it one thing

2907
02:09:47,200 --> 02:09:44,580
that really disturbs me when I go online

2908
02:09:49,540 --> 02:09:47,210
and especially on social media sites

2909
02:09:51,100 --> 02:09:49,550
because technology obviously is now much

2910
02:09:54,190 --> 02:09:51,110
more affordable and special effects

2911
02:09:56,830 --> 02:09:54,200
software is way more accessible now to

2912
02:09:59,170 --> 02:09:56,840
the average person there's a lot of

2913
02:10:01,480 --> 02:09:59,180
people out there that have a lot of

2914
02:10:03,970 --> 02:10:01,490
extra time that are able to create some

2915
02:10:06,700 --> 02:10:03,980
pretty impressive elaborate hoaxes

2916
02:10:08,950 --> 02:10:06,710
impressive to the average person with an

2917
02:10:10,660 --> 02:10:08,960
untrained eye anyone with a trained eye

2918
02:10:13,330 --> 02:10:10,670
that knows anything about the phenomenon

2919
02:10:16,150 --> 02:10:13,340
and how to analyze visual data

2920
02:10:18,400 --> 02:10:16,160
pertaining to the phenomenon can pick

2921
02:10:20,890 --> 02:10:18,410
out the hoaxes pretty easily with gene

2922
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with Gina and Chris and Eric will act

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author of eliminations we're talking

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about hoaxing Chris yeah my basic point

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here Eric was that I think the hoaxing

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is actually has the unintended side

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effect if you will of creating erroneous

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ideas and in and cementing erroneous

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memes into the culture and that what

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we're doing is we're actually instead of

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you know when you try to point out a

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hoax so you try to dissuade people from

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buying into stuff that they're not

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trained to really observe and pass

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judgment on that you become the bad guy

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and people are saying well you're a

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skeptic you don't believe in this stuff

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and it's like well I believe that

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there's a phenomenon but I don't believe

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that there's a lot of people out there

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that are really qualified to to analyze

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visual evidence you know with with the

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proliferation of you know kids with

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really creative minds basically they're

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they're creating hoaxes that are based

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on you know a 50s kind of idealized view

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of UFO craft if you will and I think it

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has the unintended side effect of of

3076
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really not only muddying up the waters

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but also potentially creating a

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collective unconscious backlash it's

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almost like you know if we if we make

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enough hoaxes and enough people buy into

3081
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them pretty soon

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hoaxed UFOs are gonna turn up and

3083
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they'll be real I agree with you in this

3084
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one and that when I introduce my

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controversial theory about the role of

3086
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ufologists killing UFOs that's pretty

3087
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much what I had in mind

3088
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so hoaxing is part of creating the

3089
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beliefs is this too much of it then

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people start to disbelieve and

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absolutely it's a matter if things have

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to be in balance and the things always

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change and evolve over time so if you

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think about the Spiritist seance of the

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19th century there was a lot eventually

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it became so so so stupid that people

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just gave up on that and moved on

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whatever is left of it

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the video game you can buy it in a big

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store in your where you live so so

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things I have the tendency to evolve

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that way and so but something else picks

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up later on whatever it is okay I you

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know we're kind of running out of time

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and I want to make sure that we

3106
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discussed this particular aspect and

3107
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that is Rupert Sheldrake's idea of the

3108
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morphogenetic field I think this is a

3109
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fascinating and very important potential

3110
02:17:42,219 --> 02:17:39,389
explanation to explain you know waves of

3111
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UFOs people having simultaneous events

3112
02:17:47,780 --> 02:17:44,910
why don't you first give our new

3113
02:17:50,500 --> 02:17:47,790
listeners an idea and kind of define

3114
02:17:56,240 --> 02:17:50,510
what morphogenetic field is and how

3115
02:17:58,969 --> 02:17:56,250
Sheldrake applied it ok genic feels out

3116
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of the origin is this notion that the

3117
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question is why how almost all animals

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and then people have four legs I mean

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two legs and two arms or four legs one

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had two eyes one mouth what is not more

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diversity in the overall nature so one

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of the explanation is that there is a is

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if you want a template that exists and

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that's reproduced in other species and

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as species change that the template

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remains available so this notion if we

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extended to from areas of reality to the

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next from the psychological to the

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biological or from the biological to the

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physical these templates can also be

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seen repeating themselves and so that

3132
02:18:55,910 --> 02:18:53,130
could be an interesting way to look at

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02:18:57,770 --> 02:18:55,920
per normal phenomena is that the

3134
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template you have in your mind in your

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psychology in your unconscious about

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conflicts is repeated in reality and

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therefore we that's what we call

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psychokinesis so you're angry and

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suddenly a glass in your cupboard

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explodes so that's an example of

3141
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morphogenetic feels that the same

3142
02:19:21,919 --> 02:19:19,469
template is repeating it

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02:19:25,849 --> 02:19:21,929
self but in a completely different field

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so your mind and the physical construct

3145
02:19:33,469 --> 02:19:29,519
of a glass so this is a powerful way to

3146
02:19:36,469 --> 02:19:33,479
explain how we may have all kinds of

3147
02:19:40,549 --> 02:19:36,479
events that seems to be repeating the

3148
02:19:45,080 --> 02:19:40,559
same symbolic content across different

3149
02:19:48,290 --> 02:19:45,090
things so the scare of the war with the

3150
02:19:51,559 --> 02:19:48,300
Soviet Union then scare of air attack

3151
02:19:55,340 --> 02:19:51,569
and then we see UFOs so these are

3152
02:19:58,400 --> 02:19:55,350
examples of that that the same template

3153
02:20:01,130 --> 02:19:58,410
is repeated in all kinds of instances so

3154
02:20:05,929 --> 02:20:01,140
that's in a nutshell what Sheldrake is

3155
02:20:09,590 --> 02:20:05,939
talking about but his example of monkeys

3156
02:20:12,019 --> 02:20:09,600
on one island in northern Japan learning

3157
02:20:15,229 --> 02:20:12,029
how to wash sand off potatoes and

3158
02:20:18,229 --> 02:20:15,239
instantly all the monkeys even unrelated

3159
02:20:20,870 --> 02:20:18,239
to them the group that was being taught

3160
02:20:22,729 --> 02:20:20,880
by the original monkey that had their

3161
02:20:24,380 --> 02:20:22,739
realization that we can wash the sand

3162
02:20:27,710 --> 02:20:24,390
off our potatoes by dipping them in

3163
02:20:30,200 --> 02:20:27,720
water all of a sudden all the monkeys

3164
02:20:33,440 --> 02:20:30,210
were able to do that and that would be

3165
02:20:36,920 --> 02:20:33,450
an example of some sort of impact or a

3166
02:20:39,340 --> 02:20:36,930
fact filtering through the morphogenetic

3167
02:20:41,240 --> 02:20:39,350
field which you know in Sheldrake

3168
02:20:44,179 --> 02:20:41,250
unfortunately has really been beat up

3169
02:20:47,059 --> 02:20:44,189
over some of his work looking at pets

3170
02:20:48,620 --> 02:20:47,069
relationships with their owners you know

3171
02:20:50,780 --> 02:20:48,630
I really do admire him as being a very

3172
02:20:52,820 --> 02:20:50,790
very creative thinker here's a question

3173
02:20:55,179 --> 02:20:52,830
for you that I've been kicking around in

3174
02:20:59,570 --> 02:20:55,189
my own mind for a while the role of

3175
02:21:01,969 --> 02:20:59,580
proactive UFO investigation

3176
02:21:06,349 --> 02:21:01,979
what sort of tips or ideas would you

3177
02:21:09,110 --> 02:21:06,359
have to go after a hard day to

3178
02:21:12,729 --> 02:21:09,120
monitoring approach but being open to

3179
02:21:15,740 --> 02:21:12,739
these type of para sociological impacts

3180
02:21:18,019 --> 02:21:15,750
one thing that I've always done is is is

3181
02:21:20,150 --> 02:21:18,029
contend that the experiencer is more

3182
02:21:22,519 --> 02:21:20,160
important than what they experience and

3183
02:21:24,940 --> 02:21:22,529
that the entire focus of ufology has

3184
02:21:26,929 --> 02:21:24,950
been bass-ackwards that people should be

3185
02:21:29,150 --> 02:21:26,939
concerned with looking at the

3186
02:21:32,300 --> 02:21:29,160
experiences of these phenomena as

3187
02:21:32,600 --> 02:21:32,310
opposed to you know trying to get as

3188
02:21:34,490 --> 02:21:32,610
much

3189
02:21:36,081 --> 02:21:34,500
nuts-and-bolts information is possible

3190
02:21:38,631 --> 02:21:36,091
there needs to be a blending of the two

3191
02:21:41,240 --> 02:21:38,641
how what sort of suggestions would you

3192
02:21:44,390 --> 02:21:41,250
have for ufologists who are coming into

3193
02:21:46,761 --> 02:21:44,400
the field with open fertile minds and

3194
02:21:51,711 --> 02:21:46,771
wanting to move forward in a you know in

3195
02:21:53,450 --> 02:21:51,721
a potentially a successful way totally

3196
02:21:56,120 --> 02:21:53,460
agree with you that the experiences

3197
02:21:58,060 --> 02:21:56,130
should be number one and then by a long

3198
02:22:00,560 --> 02:21:58,070
shot there should be a lot number one

3199
02:22:04,610 --> 02:22:00,570
practically essentially is this about

3200
02:22:06,890 --> 02:22:04,620
try to know them and it takes more time

3201
02:22:09,350 --> 02:22:06,900
and more meetings that's that's there's

3202
02:22:11,001 --> 02:22:09,360
a practical aspects to it but give it a

3203
02:22:15,020 --> 02:22:11,011
chance to understand where they come

3204
02:22:16,970 --> 02:22:15,030
from what's going on their life and I

3205
02:22:19,610 --> 02:22:16,980
mean within of course respect of their

3206
02:22:24,530 --> 02:22:19,620
privacy but this this is important to

3207
02:22:26,810 --> 02:22:24,540
see how their their preoccupations may

3208
02:22:29,120 --> 02:22:26,820
have a had an impact on what's going on

3209
02:22:31,190 --> 02:22:29,130
so that's one aspect and of course if

3210
02:22:33,081 --> 02:22:31,200
there is a group of witnesses then try

3211
02:22:35,870 --> 02:22:33,091
to understand what's their dynamics

3212
02:22:37,881 --> 02:22:35,880
beyond the surface which again takes

3213
02:22:40,671 --> 02:22:37,891
time but these are very useful because

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3361
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example of symbolism Eric well that next

3362
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one yes an example is like the example I

3363
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gave about the two cars in Hamilton

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maybe the these two groups of people are

3365
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bound to meet each other and there was

3366
02:29:20,730 --> 02:29:18,641
some sort of premonition that to bring

3367
02:29:23,310 --> 02:29:20,740
them together so it could be that kind

3368
02:29:26,490 --> 02:29:23,320
of symbolism very subtle but yet

3369
02:29:28,830 --> 02:29:26,500
powerful another example is in my book

3370
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that was a lady that's a green light

3371
02:29:34,770 --> 02:29:31,440
moving in her house and the smoke and

3372
02:29:37,830 --> 02:29:34,780
and yet that lady is she was and she

3373
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still has a heavy heavy smoker was it

3374
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maybe a way for her to be told that

3375
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maybe she should cut smoking these are

3376
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examples that are fairly simple but you

3377
02:29:51,270 --> 02:29:48,011
may have some symbolism this much more

3378
02:29:54,450 --> 02:29:51,280
complex to decipher but any data any

3379
02:29:56,910 --> 02:29:54,460
piece of evidence from the witnesses

3380
02:29:59,040 --> 02:29:56,920
from their lives from their community

3381
02:30:02,070 --> 02:29:59,050
from their surrounding that may help to

3382
02:30:04,620 --> 02:30:02,080
put together what symbolism is behind

3383
02:30:07,230 --> 02:30:04,630
this always useful because then we can

3384
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make a connection in terms of did they

3385
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actually access information in ways that

3386
02:30:17,011 --> 02:30:13,080
are not normal if we can't do that then

3387
02:30:19,310 --> 02:30:17,021
we definitely have put the finger on the

3388
02:30:22,730 --> 02:30:19,320
core aspect of what's going on I

3389
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absolutely agree a good example would be

3390
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in the San Luis Valley in south-central

3391
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Colorado where I investigated pretty

3392
02:30:34,921 --> 02:30:31,000
full-time for ten years not only would I

3393
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be out investigating reports of the

3394
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paranormal UFOs Academy relations and

3395
02:30:41,070 --> 02:30:39,580
that sort of thing but I would at the

3396
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same time being

3397
02:30:50,160 --> 02:30:45,370
noting aberrant social behavior strange

3398
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outbreaks of fires you know unusual

3399
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amounts of Road

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strange weather I would always factor

3401
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these types of things and in addition to

3402
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unexplained military activity and I

3403
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think all these things somehow were

3404
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connected and these these waves of

3405
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events tended to be cross phenomenal in

3406
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other words you know in one one case we

3407
02:31:19,449 --> 02:31:16,669
had a wave of UFO sightings that

3408
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dovetailed at the same time as the bell

3409
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curve as a surprise was wearing off and

3410
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it started to really settle in a series

3411
02:31:29,349 --> 02:31:27,439
of Bigfoot reports then you know along

3412
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with the UFO sightings and then the UFO

3413
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sightings went along for a while and you

3414
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had unusual military activity NORAD

3415
02:31:40,869 --> 02:31:37,850
reporting is something that appeared to

3416
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be a UFO to witnesses at the same time

3417
02:31:46,779 --> 02:31:43,279
this was going on we had you know some

3418
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really strange societal events that were

3419
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going on we had one weekend where we had

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a huge mini wave of UFO sightings and a

3421
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wedding of a popular very well-to-do

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family in the valley you know was the

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sister was getting married and her

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younger sister was the you know the

3425
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bride's head bridesmaid and at the

3426
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reception the younger sister knifed the

3427
02:32:11,559 --> 02:32:08,509
the bride to death in a fit of rage and

3428
02:32:13,569 --> 02:32:11,569
we had 12 unusual fires that broke out

3429
02:32:15,459 --> 02:32:13,579
and also animals were getting

3430
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slaughtered on the roads by cars left

3431
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and right I just couldn't help but think

3432
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that there was a connection there

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and I think for investigators who are

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coming up in this field you've got to

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have your mind open to other attendant

3436
02:32:34,510 --> 02:32:30,739
events that may somehow be related on

3437
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some level to the the actual more nuts

3438
02:32:40,929 --> 02:32:38,959
and bolts phenomenal events know is a

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good way to turn to to do that but it's

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more labor-intensive so that'sthat's the

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challenge of this yeah well if you

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really want to do something the best way

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to do it is the right way as far as I'm

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complete agree yeah you know this is not

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for the faint of heart and it's not for

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people that are wanting to try to do

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this all in their armchair on their cell

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phone you got to get out and you know

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log some miles and hone your

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I think that's very important another

3452
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thing I think that you kind of hinted at

3453
02:33:13,570 --> 02:33:10,971
before is it's really important to

3454
02:33:16,690 --> 02:33:13,580
follow up with people find out how that

3455
02:33:19,180 --> 02:33:16,700
experience changed their thinking if it

3456
02:33:21,910 --> 02:33:19,190
did and how that check that change of

3457
02:33:24,011 --> 02:33:21,920
thinking has morphed into a more refined

3458
02:33:26,080 --> 02:33:24,021
sort of belief system around these

3459
02:33:29,110 --> 02:33:26,090
events and then check back with them

3460
02:33:30,690 --> 02:33:29,120
periodically and find out if there have

3461
02:33:33,220 --> 02:33:30,700
been any other follow-up events

3462
02:33:35,440 --> 02:33:33,230
oftentimes people that have an unusual

3463
02:33:38,801 --> 02:33:35,450
event and it gets notoriety

3464
02:33:42,011 --> 02:33:38,811
they won't report those events for fear

3465
02:33:44,860 --> 02:33:42,021
of the glare of publicity and and being

3466
02:33:46,961 --> 02:33:44,870
stigmatized by oh that's the person that

3467
02:33:49,480 --> 02:33:46,971
is always seeing this or always

3468
02:33:51,490 --> 02:33:49,490
experiencing that so oftentimes the only

3469
02:33:53,350 --> 02:33:51,500
way you're gonna find out if a person is

3470
02:33:56,261 --> 02:33:53,360
having more events occur around them is

3471
02:33:59,140 --> 02:33:56,271
to go and at least establish a

3472
02:34:01,930 --> 02:33:59,150
relationship with them and and and you

3473
02:34:03,220 --> 02:34:01,940
know do some follow-up and that's not

3474
02:34:05,171 --> 02:34:03,230
something that you see in the move on

3475
02:34:07,120 --> 02:34:05,181
model people go out they get the

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02:34:09,940 --> 02:34:07,130
information they're gone and you know

3477
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out of out of Dodge end of report and

3478
02:34:13,660 --> 02:34:12,080
that's not the way to do it and I think

3479
02:34:15,700 --> 02:34:13,670
Eric you'll you'll agree with that oh

3480
02:34:17,580 --> 02:34:15,710
absolutely I agree with you that it's

3481
02:34:21,370 --> 02:34:17,590
important to keep in touch with people

3482
02:34:23,761 --> 02:34:21,380
afterward it only is to see if their

3483
02:34:26,320 --> 02:34:23,771
event they had that maybe some

3484
02:34:28,810 --> 02:34:26,330
premonition value so you can at least

3485
02:34:30,910 --> 02:34:28,820
check that further Moore's for one

3486
02:34:33,940 --> 02:34:30,920
respect for people because if they open

3487
02:34:36,250 --> 02:34:33,950
up to you then sometimes good for them

3488
02:34:38,200 --> 02:34:36,260
to give back you know some feedback in

3489
02:34:42,610 --> 02:34:38,210
the so that's one thing the other thing

3490
02:34:45,160 --> 02:34:42,620
is definitely people may be change but

3491
02:34:46,930 --> 02:34:45,170
an event and the create for events well

3492
02:34:50,230 --> 02:34:46,940
as far as I'm concerned this is the same

3493
02:34:52,330 --> 02:34:50,240
case is just continues over time I agree

3494
02:34:54,370 --> 02:34:52,340
with you that people who only looking

3495
02:34:56,620 --> 02:34:54,380
for the piece of metal in the sky and

3496
02:34:59,560 --> 02:34:56,630
therefore people are not that important

3497
02:35:02,470 --> 02:34:59,570
is very insulting I think for the

3498
02:35:05,020 --> 02:35:02,480
witnesses and at least on ethical

3499
02:35:07,301 --> 02:35:05,030
grounds is not acceptable from from my

3500
02:35:09,370 --> 02:35:07,311
perspective so yes absolutely keep in

3501
02:35:11,890 --> 02:35:09,380
touch with people and try to see what's

3502
02:35:13,930 --> 02:35:11,900
going on in their life and if if it

3503
02:35:15,700 --> 02:35:13,940
continues to happen then the clay the

3504
02:35:17,320 --> 02:35:15,710
case is not closed it's still going on

3505
02:35:19,030 --> 02:35:17,330
okay yeah I have

3506
02:35:21,310 --> 02:35:19,040
the question here from our question bank

3507
02:35:23,680 --> 02:35:21,320
where our listeners are able to post

3508
02:35:25,810 --> 02:35:23,690
questions for our guests and again this

3509
02:35:28,120 --> 02:35:25,820
comes from Ravens feet who's been a

3510
02:35:31,000 --> 02:35:28,130
member of the Peres cast going on nine

3511
02:35:32,920 --> 02:35:31,010
months now and she always shows up with

3512
02:35:33,280 --> 02:35:32,930
really good questions and here's a good

3513
02:35:35,140 --> 02:35:33,290
one

3514
02:35:36,970 --> 02:35:35,150
your ideas are very different from those

3515
02:35:39,340 --> 02:35:36,980
of the vast majority of people talking

3516
02:35:40,840 --> 02:35:39,350
about UFOs today who on the whole are

3517
02:35:43,180 --> 02:35:40,850
firmly in the eth camp as we've

3518
02:35:46,330 --> 02:35:43,190
discussed how was your book and your

3519
02:35:49,511 --> 02:35:46,340
theories been received so far book has

3520
02:35:52,210 --> 02:35:49,521
been received as expected so people were

3521
02:35:56,380 --> 02:35:52,220
open-minded to other explanation loved

3522
02:36:00,640 --> 02:35:56,390
it people are very much welded to the

3523
02:36:03,310 --> 02:36:00,650
ETH hated it so so far as when as

3524
02:36:06,430 --> 02:36:03,320
expected is there any hope that we'll

3525
02:36:07,810 --> 02:36:06,440
actually be able to move to a final

3526
02:36:09,761 --> 02:36:07,820
answer because you're giving us

3527
02:36:12,310 --> 02:36:09,771
something here that a lot of people

3528
02:36:14,080 --> 02:36:12,320
don't agree with we find a lot of merit

3529
02:36:16,240 --> 02:36:14,090
in what you're saying but obviously a

3530
02:36:18,820 --> 02:36:16,250
lot of people do not well I would

3531
02:36:20,770 --> 02:36:18,830
suggest that we keep doing that but

3532
02:36:22,870 --> 02:36:20,780
given that if we have an explanation

3533
02:36:25,930 --> 02:36:22,880
that covers all kinds of paranormal

3534
02:36:27,790 --> 02:36:25,940
phenomena not just UFO that's where the

3535
02:36:31,270 --> 02:36:27,800
strength of those approaches are so

3536
02:36:33,551 --> 02:36:31,280
eventually UFO goes both the guys will

3537
02:36:35,530 --> 02:36:33,561
be explained with the same kind of

3538
02:36:37,630 --> 02:36:35,540
models then we have a lot of strengths

3539
02:36:39,610 --> 02:36:37,640
and then I think the younger people will

3540
02:36:41,440 --> 02:36:39,620
be more interested in that and the older

3541
02:36:44,560 --> 02:36:41,450
one well they will leave what their old

3542
02:36:46,540 --> 02:36:44,570
ideas a unified field theory I love it

3543
02:36:50,110 --> 02:36:46,550
the book is illuminations the UFO

3544
02:36:52,870 --> 02:36:50,120
experience as a Paris psychological

3545
02:36:54,100 --> 02:36:52,880
event Eric do you have a website or

3546
02:36:56,740 --> 02:36:54,110
someplace we can get more information

3547
02:37:00,490 --> 02:36:56,750
about what you do I do have a website

3548
02:37:01,990 --> 02:37:00,500
it's called Paris sociology easy to find

3549
02:37:06,220 --> 02:37:02,000
there's only thing on the planet with

3550
02:37:08,470 --> 02:37:06,230
that name I new ideas constantly and

3551
02:37:11,380 --> 02:37:08,480
updates and I will mention this post

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cast as well so yes definitely there's a

3553
02:37:17,080 --> 02:37:14,480
lot of stuff there please enjoy it as

3554
02:37:20,261 --> 02:37:17,090
much as you can bookmark it folks book

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market Paris sociology that's correct

3556
02:37:25,960 --> 02:37:23,240
also have a link on our site I want to

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02:37:28,750 --> 02:37:25,970
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3561
02:37:38,390 --> 02:37:35,160
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3562
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02:38:37,100 --> 02:38:32,910
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02:38:42,501 --> 02:38:40,650
Eric well let so much fascinating stuff

3585
02:38:44,720 --> 02:38:42,511
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3586
02:38:50,910 --> 02:38:44,730
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